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    Congress moves to recognize bicycles

    This bill needs our support. FINALLY the congress sees the bicycles as
    a real "VEHICLE" for personal transportation!!

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    Thanks for posting this Tightwad. This is great and I will pass it on to those I know

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    Any step forward is a good thing, but I'm wondering if this will help change things, or just another feel good law on the books.

    If Congress would put some funding behind it, offering funding to cities to make bike paths, that would be a definite advance.

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    Do you really want to have a drivers test,license plates and have to carry insurance?I dont.

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    I would recognize a bicycle if I saw one and so would Congress if this bill passes.

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    Congress taxes anything they recognize. Most state laws already recognize a bicycle as a vehicle. In my opinion, this resolution (it is not a bill, it makes no law) is pointless.
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    I am not sure what being recognized does. The bill was interesting to read. The same congress is seriously talking about a vacation for the gas tax at a time when it needs to be increased. It all looks like a babbling bunch of drunks from here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    I am not sure what being recognized does. The bill was interesting to read. The same congress is seriously talking about a vacation for the gas tax at a time when it needs to be increased. It all looks like a babbling bunch of drunks from here.
    Please explain why taxes on gasoline need to be increased?
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    I rather see Congress working on real issues. Or better yet, on the state level, seeing the penalties for hit & run increased so that it doesn't pay to drive off if you hit someone while drunk.

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    This would probably forever quash the concept that a bicycle is NOT a wheeled vehicle and should be allowed on trails in National Park/Wilderness areas, ya think? I bet the Sierra Club is behind this bill 100%.
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    In Illinois, bicycles have been defined as an unintended user of the road system. If this bill passes might it change that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    I am not sure what being recognized does. The bill was interesting to read. The same congress is seriously talking about a vacation for the gas tax at a time when it needs to be increased. It all looks like a babbling bunch of drunks from here.
    Federal gas tax is 18 cents per gallon. At $3.00 per gallon it costs $45.00 to buy 15 gallons. Minus the gas tax you'd save $2.70. Do you think that you'd really notice the difference or would you just buy a Big Gulp to spill in your lap when you go over a pot hole that isn't going to get fixed?

    Hillery's plan is even dumber. She wants to add an additional tax onto the oil companies so they'll just raise their prices 18 cents and the net result will be zero.

    Raising the gas tax to discourage consumption doesn't sound very smart to me either. No politician is likely to have the courage to raise it say $1.00 a gallon. The pump price has already raised that much and short term consumption hasn't dropped that much. We'll see what happens long term as people replace their cars and car manufacturers react to the demand for more fuel efficient cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retro Grouch View Post
    Federal gas tax is 18 cents per gallon. At $3.00 per gallon it costs $45.00 to buy 15 gallons. Minus the gas tax you'd save $2.70. Do you think that you'd really notice the difference or would you just buy a Big Gulp to spill in your lap when you go over a pot hole that isn't going to get fixed?

    Hillery's plan is even dumber. She wants to add an additional tax onto the oil companies so they'll just raise their prices 18 cents and the net result will be zero.

    Raising the gas tax to discourage consumption doesn't sound very smart to me either. No politician is likely to have the courage to raise it say $1.00 a gallon. The pump price has already raised that much and short term consumption hasn't dropped that much. We'll see what happens long term as people replace their cars and car manufacturers react to the demand for more fuel efficient cars.
    Well the reason why the tax needs to be raised, one prominent, government study suggested to $.40 cents a gallon, is because this country hates to invest in and maintain infrastructure. We have a lot of deferred maintenance to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galls View Post
    Well the reason why the tax needs to be raised, one prominent, government study suggested to $.40 cents a gallon, is because this country hates to invest in and maintain infrastructure. We have a lot of deferred maintenance to do.
    That's a separate, though related, issue. That's raising taxes to pay for needed infrastructure improvements and maintenance. I don't disagree but I seriously doubt it's going to happen in an election year.

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    Congress seeing bikes as "real vehicles". BE careful of what you ask for, very careful!

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    Gas taxes need to be raised...but not to "punish" anyone or cut consumption. They need to be raised to provide funding for alternate forms of transport, be it mass transit, bicycles, or pedestrian facilities. As well as research into alternate forms of energy, not so much to replace fuel for personal vehicles but as a replacement for fossil fuels used to power everything else. Until the American public and the American Politicians get over their severe case of cranial inversion and start looking at the big picture and what we have done to the environment and ourselves they are going to continue to be in denial until someone pries the car keys out of their cold dead hands.

    I was thinking about just these things yesterday on my Amtrak ride home from my job site yesterday... the train was almost full that was a good 300-400 people that WEREN'T on the highway quite often as single person per vehicle. FWIW the train I was on is the Palmetto which is the Savannah-NYC run. North of my stop that train quite often is sold out! Also as the population ages do we really want 70+ year olds attempting to continue to drive the distances they currently do? Not to generalize, there are plenty of competent older drivers...but it is a proven fact that as people age reflexes and resilience diminish and too many people are to stubborn to recognize this fact. FWIW the Amtrak saves me over $75 a week in fuel costs alone, not to mention the stress involved of having to drive 4 hours at 70mph with some of the idiots loose on our highways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retro Grouch View Post
    Hillery's plan is even dumber. She wants to add an additional tax onto the oil companies so they'll just raise their prices 18 cents and the net result will be zero.
    Do you understand how corporate taxes work? They are taxed on profit. If they raise their prices to adjust to the tax, they will make more profit and PAY MORE TAXES. You cannot pass a corporate profit tax onto the consumer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikephoros View Post
    Do you understand how corporate taxes work? They are taxed on profit. If they raise their prices to adjust to the tax, they will make more profit and PAY MORE TAXES. You cannot pass a corporate profit tax onto the consumer.
    They will figure out a way to pass it on to the consumer...the last time I checked businesses were in the business of making money in exchange for a service or product, if something costs them they will find a way around it or a way to pass it on.

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    Bicycles have been vehicles of the road in the eyes of the government for years ... check your local highway transportation act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machka View Post
    Bicycles have been vehicles of the road in the eyes of the government for years ... check your local highway transportation act.
    That's what I'm thinking. That's like them coming out and recognizing Judaism. Thanks, but where have you guys been? I thought they were vehicles(EDIT: The bikes, that is )...

    What's this about Illinois viewing bicycles as an "unintended user of the road system"?
    I like to ride bikes. I miss living in the city though, where it was all a bike's ride away. City dwellers: appreciate it. :D

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    It reminds of a bit from Good Morning Vietnam:

    Cronauer: "We're back. Here's the news. All the news that's new and approved by the U.S. Army, the sweetest-smelling army in the world. (imitates Teletype) Great Britain recognized the island state of Singapore. How do you recognize on island? You go, "exc... Hey, wait. No, don't tell me. Wait, wait, didn't we meet last year at the Feinman bar mitzvah? You look a lot like Hawaii. Didn't we meet last year at the Peninsula Club? No."


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    Looks like a way for the Demoncrats to find another source of tax revenue to help the upcoming "nanny state" they wish to impose on the USA. Secession anybody?
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    This is depressing:

    Whereas in 1969 approximately 50 percent of children in the United States got to school by walking or bicycling, but in 2001 only 15 percent of students were walking or bicycling to school

    Ohh.. and DieselDan, I think you meant secession.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikephoros View Post
    Do you understand how corporate taxes work? They are taxed on profit. If they raise their prices to adjust to the tax, they will make more profit and PAY MORE TAXES. You cannot pass a corporate profit tax onto the consumer.
    Man, you sound like somebody who's wasted way too much time going to school and reading books and not devoted enough time to riding his bike. That's like saying lowering the number on the sign will reduce the speed that people drive. SURPRISE! The world doesn't work that way.

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