I bought some of those fake oakleys
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Originally Posted by late
Bac,
I have trouble believing you just said that.
I have trouble believing you just said that.
What other cancer patient has Oakley decided to insure before, or since Lance Armstrong? Okay, any variety of patient? Okay, anyone?
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If anyone thinks that Oakley is actually losing revenue from people buying replicas, dream on.
A person who buys $14 shades ain't gonna shell out $150 for a similar pair...
A person who buys $14 shades ain't gonna shell out $150 for a similar pair...
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Originally Posted by belfast-biker
If anyone thinks that Oakley is actually losing revenue from people buying replicas, dream on.
A person who buys $14 shades ain't gonna shell out $150 for a similar pair...
A person who buys $14 shades ain't gonna shell out $150 for a similar pair...
Bac, you can view Mike Parnell's actions in a variety of ways. Maybe he considered it a calculated risk. Maybe he thought he would get some good press. Perhaps he was even using it as a way for his company to change insurance providers. Personally, I view it as remarkably magnanimous. Really, who bets on an advanced cancer patient becoming an athlete superstar?
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Originally Posted by geneman
belfast-biker, if you're suggesting that this is a victimless crime, then I would recommend you consult a local psychiatrist. Regardless of your perceived minimal loss to Oakley revenue, it's criminal
Oh, stop being such a drama queen...
I know what I'm doing when I buy shades, in terms of "breaking laws" (ooooh!).
Don't try and tell me someone who spends $15 on shades is going to spend 10 (ten) times that amount if replicas are somehow taken off the market, instead of buying a more sensible, equally good pair from Briko, Rudy or a similar non-overpriced decent marque.
In short, get a life, stop making outlandish statements.... you'll be telling us you invented the Internet next.
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Originally Posted by belfast-biker
Oh, stop being such a drama queen...
I know what I'm doing when I buy shades, in terms of "breaking laws" (ooooh!).
Don't try and tell me someone who spends $15 on shades is going to spend 10 (ten) times that amount if replicas are somehow taken off the market, instead of buying a more sensible, equally good pair from Briko, Rudy or a similar non-overpriced decent marque.
In short, get a life, stop making outlandish statements.... you'll be telling us you invented the Internet next.
I know what I'm doing when I buy shades, in terms of "breaking laws" (ooooh!).
Don't try and tell me someone who spends $15 on shades is going to spend 10 (ten) times that amount if replicas are somehow taken off the market, instead of buying a more sensible, equally good pair from Briko, Rudy or a similar non-overpriced decent marque.
In short, get a life, stop making outlandish statements.... you'll be telling us you invented the Internet next.
Exactly which of my statements were "outlandish?"
Just to put a cap on the drama ... if this is the kind of activity we should condone then where might it end?
How about if someone started making *hitty bear and slapping Guinness labels on it?
How about if I open a manufacturing plant, bottle up some water, slap a Pfizer label on it and call it insulin?
Are we to trust these knock-off suppliers to make high-quality products that we typically associates with the name brand? The intelligent mind says no, but not everyone is smart enough to know the difference or see past the knock-off hyperbole.
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01-02-04, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by geneman
How about if someone started making *hitty bear and slapping Guinness labels on it?
Lemme check.
Yup, as I suspected. I could not care less. Even if I tried really, really hard.
If I buy REPLICA Oakleys, I know it ain't the real thing.
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I have to agree with belfast-biker that someone who buys a cheap pair of knockoffs would not buy Oakley's if the knockoffs weren't available. That doesn't mean that Oakley isn't hurt by these knockoff sales. They dilute the Oakley trademark by putting it on a low quality product. I think Oakley could make a fairly strong case of both Trademark Dilution and Infringement if they wanted to. Problem is that only the seller is in the US. The moment they put one small seller out of business another would pop up. Since the manufacturer is overseas they would be difficult to stop and a lawsuit would only bring attention to the availability of the knockoffs.
https://www.bitlaw.com/trademark/dilution.html
https://www.bitlaw.com/trademark/infringe.html
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https://www.bitlaw.com/trademark/dilution.html
https://www.bitlaw.com/trademark/infringe.html
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Originally Posted by slider
I have to agree with belfast-biker that someone who buys a cheap pair of knockoffs would not buy Oakley's if the knockoffs weren't available. That doesn't mean that Oakley isn't hurt by these knockoff sales. They dilute the Oakley trademark by putting it on a low quality product. I think Oakley could make a fairly strong case of both Trademark Dilution and Infringement if they wanted to. Problem is that only the seller is in the US. The moment they put one small seller out of business another would pop up. Since the manufacturer is overseas they would be difficult to stop and a lawsuit would only bring attention to the availability of the knockoffs.
https://www.bitlaw.com/trademark/dilution.html
https://www.bitlaw.com/trademark/infringe.html
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https://www.bitlaw.com/trademark/dilution.html
https://www.bitlaw.com/trademark/infringe.html
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01-03-04, 01:00 AM
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I dished out the $100+ for a pair of real Oakleys so does that make it o.k. for me to buy a cheap replica pair too?
01-03-04, 01:59 AM
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I'm happy Oakley (and the others) supported Lance. Unfortunately, be they fakes or real (Oakley, Nike, etc), the companies will probably never get my money. I just can't justify (financially, quality-wise, and morally) the prices they charge. It was nice to know that they helped Lance in a time of crisis. On the other hand, Nike isn't exactly an angel in the free-market world (can you say "Pay laborers $.50/hr for a pair of shoes w/ a $150 price tag"?). Oakley seems to be more "moral" but $150 for a pair of sunglasses means "I'll just lose them in two days". I probably won't buy fakes just because I have no idea of the true quality. On the ther hand, I won't buy the brand names either. Perhaps that's why they cost so much, to make up for those of us with some sense of monetary priorities. 
I'll stick to my $25 Performance sunglasses and give the rest to the LAF (and other cancer-related charities). I think Lance would prefer it that way anyway...
As for Bac's statement, it does seem harsh, but it's not necessarily off. I'd love to believe that Mike Parnell acted out of a sense of "the right thing to do". He probably did (sure sounds like it). On the other hand, too many companies do things to hedge their bets. I dunno. I guess I'll keep hoping for the best and preparing for the worst
I'll stick to my $25 Performance sunglasses and give the rest to the LAF (and other cancer-related charities). I think Lance would prefer it that way anyway...As for Bac's statement, it does seem harsh, but it's not necessarily off. I'd love to believe that Mike Parnell acted out of a sense of "the right thing to do". He probably did (sure sounds like it). On the other hand, too many companies do things to hedge their bets. I dunno. I guess I'll keep hoping for the best and preparing for the worst
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Originally Posted by belfast-biker
If anyone thinks that Oakley is actually losing revenue from people buying replicas, dream on.
A person who buys $14 shades ain't gonna shell out $150 for a similar pair...
A person who buys $14 shades ain't gonna shell out $150 for a similar pair...
Also, the site is having a promotion buy 2 pair get 1 free. You pick the style you get free, they pick color. I choose a free pair of E Wires since there didnt seem to be any really weird color combinations in them.
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Well then...I dont own a pair of sunglasses (YET) but i know i woulndt go for the knockoffs...if something STATES that it has the same protection...i dont trust it, I can only trust a known company...(trusted company). I dont want UV rays, and all other forms of light hitting my eyes if they dont have to. Also, REAL pairs have protective coatings for rain or snow (or whatnot). Again, with the safety issue, thats right, i dont want a pair of glasses shattering in my eye just because i didnt spend the money. I'd rather pay the money instead of being in the ER....or worst...blind. And really, I know with lost of companies you pay for the name, but at least Oakely has something to offer...In my opinion, of your senses, i think that loosing your sight would be the worst....sure...there maybe great for just casual wear, but when the idea of crashing, and faceplanting comes into the picture....i want something that PROTECTS my eyes, not breaks and goes IN my eyes...........im out.
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Originally Posted by Jay_2004
Well then...I dont own a pair of sunglasses (YET) but i know i woulndt go for the knockoffs...if something STATES that it has the same protection...i dont trust it, I can only trust a known company...(trusted company). I dont want UV rays, and all other forms of light hitting my eyes if they dont have to. Also, REAL pairs have protective coatings for rain or snow (or whatnot). Again, with the safety issue, thats right, i dont want a pair of glasses shattering in my eye just because i didnt spend the money. I'd rather pay the money instead of being in the ER....or worst...blind. And really, I know with lost of companies you pay for the name, but at least Oakely has something to offer...In my opinion, of your senses, i think that loosing your sight would be the worst....sure...there maybe great for just casual wear, but when the idea of crashing, and faceplanting comes into the picture....i want something that PROTECTS my eyes, not breaks and goes IN my eyes...........im out.
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Oakleys
I just put my real Oakley lens in my fake frame it works. By the way the frames are 4 years old. The orginal BIG BUCK 
frames $$$ broke after a year (14 months).
I bet that buying cheap Oaks are no more damaging then buying a cheap pair of sunglasses at any store.
frames $$$ broke after a year (14 months). I bet that buying cheap Oaks are no more damaging then buying a cheap pair of sunglasses at any store.
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the chineses make them for .10 a pair here in canal st.
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Originally Posted by na975
the chineses make them for .10 a pair here in canal st.
02-07-04, 10:04 PM
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Having owned both cheap sunglasses and quality ones, I have to say that the cheap ones suck. They claim to have all the protection as quality ones but wear them out for a full day on a particularily bright day and you will have a head ache resulting from the eye strain. I 'll never go back to cheap sunglasses again. As for the price, since I am an eyeglass wearer, $300 CAN for eyewear is not that expensive to me.
Also for all the Fakley wearers out there, take your fakes with you to a sunglass shop and try on a real pair. The real ones not only seem clearer but you get very little loss of color rendition. They also fit a lot better. The difference is nite and day.
P.S. If Oakleys are good enough for the SWAT and Navy SEALs, then it's good enough for me.
Also for all the Fakley wearers out there, take your fakes with you to a sunglass shop and try on a real pair. The real ones not only seem clearer but you get very little loss of color rendition. They also fit a lot better. The difference is nite and day.
P.S. If Oakleys are good enough for the SWAT and Navy SEALs, then it's good enough for me.
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Originally Posted by BikeTyke
P.S. If Oakleys are good enough for the SWAT and Navy SEALs, then it's good enough for me.
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Originally Posted by siclmn
My fake oakleys look great with my fake Rolex.
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After breaking so many pairs of M frames that I lost count I ended up going this route also.. Here is the best thing to do, is buy the knock off frames and use real oakley lenses.. I find the knockoffs come with some pretty cheesy lenses.. I find these last just as long or longer than factory oakley frames and when they break its no big deal.. I found one website a while back that sold me 2 pair of M frames for 15.00 each and threw in a 3rd pair for free, what a deal..
My last time dealing with Oakley was such a hassle that I decided to just stop paying there outrageous price..
My last time dealing with Oakley was such a hassle that I decided to just stop paying there outrageous price..
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I happen to own 2 pairs of real oakleys and a pair of fakes and I for the life of me can't tell the difference at all. I paid over 100 bucks for the real ones and the fakes only cost me $15 shipped! Actually they were free with a small donation for a good cause. Here's the link... FREE OAKLEYS
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Originally Posted by geneman
For all of you who are comfortable in screwing Oakley over, let me provide you with an excerpt from Lance Armstrong first book;
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<in the midst of his cancer ordeal>
"I began to get good news. None of my sponsors were bailing out on me. Bill (Stapleton) and I braced for the calles to start coming in, but they never did. As the days went on, all we heard from Nike, Giro, Oakley, and Milton-Bradley were words of support.
...
They would not only stay with me, something even more remarkable happened. Bill was desperate over the matter of my health coverage. He had looked for some way I could claim coverage, but it seemed hopeless.
Bill picked up the phone and called Mike Parnell, CEO of Oakley. He explained what had happened. Hesitantly, Bill asked Mike if they could help me.
Mike said he would arrange for me to be covered.
Suddenly I had reason for optimism. But then the health care provider balked; I had a preexisting condition and therefore they were not obliged to cover my cancer treatments.
Mike Parnell picked up the phone and called the provider. He informed them that if they did not cover my medical treatments, his entire firm would take its business elsewhere.
'Cover him,' he said.
The provider still balked.
'I don't think you understand what I just said,' Mike said.
They covered me.
I'll spend the rest of my life trying to adequately convey what it meant to me, and I'll be an Oakley, Nike, and Giro athlete as long as I live. They paid my contracts in full, every single one -- even though each of them had the right to terminate the deal -- and none of them ever so much as asked me about when I would ride a bike again."
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<in the midst of his cancer ordeal>
"I began to get good news. None of my sponsors were bailing out on me. Bill (Stapleton) and I braced for the calles to start coming in, but they never did. As the days went on, all we heard from Nike, Giro, Oakley, and Milton-Bradley were words of support.
...
They would not only stay with me, something even more remarkable happened. Bill was desperate over the matter of my health coverage. He had looked for some way I could claim coverage, but it seemed hopeless.
Bill picked up the phone and called Mike Parnell, CEO of Oakley. He explained what had happened. Hesitantly, Bill asked Mike if they could help me.
Mike said he would arrange for me to be covered.
Suddenly I had reason for optimism. But then the health care provider balked; I had a preexisting condition and therefore they were not obliged to cover my cancer treatments.
Mike Parnell picked up the phone and called the provider. He informed them that if they did not cover my medical treatments, his entire firm would take its business elsewhere.
'Cover him,' he said.
The provider still balked.
'I don't think you understand what I just said,' Mike said.
They covered me.
I'll spend the rest of my life trying to adequately convey what it meant to me, and I'll be an Oakley, Nike, and Giro athlete as long as I live. They paid my contracts in full, every single one -- even though each of them had the right to terminate the deal -- and none of them ever so much as asked me about when I would ride a bike again."
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your quote proves that oakly is a nice company, but that dosent give them the reason to charge 500% more than they need to, like desigeners they make an overly expensive product, because they made it not beacuse it is a good product.
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How can you tell real from fake oakleys. I noticed on my real ones it says made in US
