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01-26-09, 09:47 AM
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I would try a Landrider if I had the chance...although I admit that I don't really see a problem (changing gears manually) that needs a solution. I don't mind changing gears, in fact I sort of like the process of finding the perfect gear for each situation, and I mostly use 80's-retro technology (suicide? levers near the top of the handlebar stem). I also have rapidfire shifters on a flatbar roadbike which is simpler still (than the levers) and I assume that current manual shifting technology is even easier with the shifting and the brakes essentially being in one place. (although I've never tried the newest technology).
My questions/concens about the Landrider: Would the automatic shifting chose the exact gear that I wished to be in at a given moment. If the gearing is dependent on candence then would it fit my candence and/or could it be adjusted to fit a different cadence. (if I was anticipating a climb or a decent I assume I could not get "prepared" by getting in the correct gear beforehand...also if I altered my cadence a bit back and forth, say on a climb, would the deraileur be moving the chain back and forth between different gearings? How smooth it would be in this situation?
What would make me give a thumbs up to the Landrider, and possibly make me want one? If it changed (or chose) gears the same as I would manually...in effect if it could change (chose) gears like it was reading my mind. If I was always truely in the gear I wished to be at any given time, and never had to think about shifting, that would be impressive to me. I would be interested to see how close it could come to this "ideal" functionality (of course, I believe with the Landrider, one still has to manually shift between the chainrings up front, so that sort of tarnishes the whole "automatic" aspect of the bike right there for me)...Like I said, I would try one if I had the chance.
My questions/concens about the Landrider: Would the automatic shifting chose the exact gear that I wished to be in at a given moment. If the gearing is dependent on candence then would it fit my candence and/or could it be adjusted to fit a different cadence. (if I was anticipating a climb or a decent I assume I could not get "prepared" by getting in the correct gear beforehand...also if I altered my cadence a bit back and forth, say on a climb, would the deraileur be moving the chain back and forth between different gearings? How smooth it would be in this situation?
What would make me give a thumbs up to the Landrider, and possibly make me want one? If it changed (or chose) gears the same as I would manually...in effect if it could change (chose) gears like it was reading my mind. If I was always truely in the gear I wished to be at any given time, and never had to think about shifting, that would be impressive to me. I would be interested to see how close it could come to this "ideal" functionality (of course, I believe with the Landrider, one still has to manually shift between the chainrings up front, so that sort of tarnishes the whole "automatic" aspect of the bike right there for me)...Like I said, I would try one if I had the chance.
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It was a half-serious answer.
Some people just can't admit that they wasted their money and will end up convincing themselves that the problem was just themselves, or that they need to 'break it in' or whatever.
Look at some of what he said '...It is not fast but neither am I...' '...I could use a bigger frame but it's fine...' He's not admitting they are problems with the bike and instead attributes it to himself.
Some people just can't admit that they wasted their money and will end up convincing themselves that the problem was just themselves, or that they need to 'break it in' or whatever.
Look at some of what he said '...It is not fast but neither am I...' '...I could use a bigger frame but it's fine...' He's not admitting they are problems with the bike and instead attributes it to himself.
01-26-09, 05:54 PM
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My questions/concens about the Landrider: Would the automatic shifting chose the exact gear that I wished to be in at a given moment. If the gearing is dependent on candence then would it fit my candence and/or could it be adjusted to fit a different cadence. (if I was anticipating a climb or a decent I assume I could not get "prepared" by getting in the correct gear beforehand...also if I altered my cadence a bit back and forth, say on a climb, would the deraileur be moving the chain back and forth between different gearings? How smooth it would be in this situation?
01-26-09, 06:51 PM
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Not exactly. It is cadence sensitive shifting, i.e. the centrifugal spinner is connected to the cassette. Worked on one not too long ago. Interesting concept behind the bikes, but the execution is a major fail. Again, these are wal-mart bikes people!
01-27-09, 04:23 AM
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There have been a few variations of the Landrider over the years. A customer brought one in to our shop for regular maintenance, and I took it for a spin just out of curiosity. I was pretty much underwhelmed.
For those who don't know (Landrider prospective customers), gear selection has less to do with speed than terrain. It sometimes takes the use of multiple gears to maintain the same speed on varied terrain. You might shift down a few gears going up a hill, or shift up a few gears when going down a hill. The reason we change gears is to make more efficient use of our strength, not to maintain a steady cadence over varied speeds.
A human being is not a gas powered engine, people can get tired after a long ride and decide that an easier gear would suit them better. On a Landrider you have to change the "range", which is just another word for "shift". So the Landrider is not truly automatic, is it?
If you want a nice bike which you and your wife can ride regularly (as often as possible), then get a couple new Schwinn cruisers. You can get them with 1, 3, or 7 speeds. The 3 and 7 speed models use internally shifting hubs with old fashioned coaster brakes, which shift as easily as changing the "range" on a Landrider, but without the complicated and cheaply made autoshift set up.
I have a Schwinn Classic 7 Deluxe. It's a faithful copy of the old 50's Schwinn Phantom. It's a beauty to look at, and a beauty to ride, and its a much better deal all-around than the Landrider. Everyone who sees it (there aren't many of them around here in Japan) asks about it
FWIW, I am a serious cyclist who has been riding for more than 30 years. I bought the Schwinn because I wanted something to ride around the park with my girlfriend, and now I find I ride it much more than any of my other bikes.
Here are pics of both, which would you rather ride?
Schwinn Deluxe 7
Landrider
Amazingly enough, they both cost about the same.
For those who don't know (Landrider prospective customers), gear selection has less to do with speed than terrain. It sometimes takes the use of multiple gears to maintain the same speed on varied terrain. You might shift down a few gears going up a hill, or shift up a few gears when going down a hill. The reason we change gears is to make more efficient use of our strength, not to maintain a steady cadence over varied speeds.
A human being is not a gas powered engine, people can get tired after a long ride and decide that an easier gear would suit them better. On a Landrider you have to change the "range", which is just another word for "shift". So the Landrider is not truly automatic, is it?
If you want a nice bike which you and your wife can ride regularly (as often as possible), then get a couple new Schwinn cruisers. You can get them with 1, 3, or 7 speeds. The 3 and 7 speed models use internally shifting hubs with old fashioned coaster brakes, which shift as easily as changing the "range" on a Landrider, but without the complicated and cheaply made autoshift set up.
I have a Schwinn Classic 7 Deluxe. It's a faithful copy of the old 50's Schwinn Phantom. It's a beauty to look at, and a beauty to ride, and its a much better deal all-around than the Landrider. Everyone who sees it (there aren't many of them around here in Japan) asks about it
FWIW, I am a serious cyclist who has been riding for more than 30 years. I bought the Schwinn because I wanted something to ride around the park with my girlfriend, and now I find I ride it much more than any of my other bikes.
Here are pics of both, which would you rather ride?
Schwinn Deluxe 7
Landrider
Amazingly enough, they both cost about the same.
02-02-09, 04:16 AM
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I too would covet a bike that read my thoughts. The LR lags behind a bit in your proactive approach (as is my nature also) to making gear changes. It will actually lag a bit (just a few seconds actually...maybe 10) in it's response to changing pedal speed/terrain. This is adjustable but I have not "gone there" yet. Admittedly, the AutoShift is a bit of a novelty and takes a bit of "gettin used to" to enjoy it's advanages.....which are highly criticized by the vet bikers. Such is life. Opinions are like brains...everyone has one. The type riding I do is highly variable and the Landrider gets it don for me......but I will eventually upgrade to a much higher tech bike...maybe a Cannondale.
But, having bought my LR at a deal on Craigslist....I am OK with the choice and will keep her around for many rides to come....we're going to Charleston, SC this week along with the BMW K75 to do some winter fun in the sun and trails.
But, having bought my LR at a deal on Craigslist....I am OK with the choice and will keep her around for many rides to come....we're going to Charleston, SC this week along with the BMW K75 to do some winter fun in the sun and trails.
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I am the least of experts but this is an approach that works. Look for bikes on Craigslist in your area, go and ride them, with your wife doing the same. This way you can save bucks and get a test ride and find a better fit for your position in life.
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If you are still looking for a larger frame, I bought one and it is too big for me. Would you consider a trade? My has only been ridden twice.
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We picked up a Landrider really inexpensively the other day, one with a 15" drop-down frame, single tube to the fork. I actually kind of like it, even though we bought it for my wife. She's not too keen on it though. We mainly bought it because some of the parts like the neck and handlebars are much better and more adjustable than the ones on her current bike, and as little as we paid, if she doesn't like it we're not out much. Plus, it came with a trailer.
I think that if you're used to a multi-geared bike then you'll do better. If you're used to a single speed bike, you're still going to have trouble with the Landrider, no matter how much less moving of levers is necessary to shift. You shift with your actions against the pedals rather than by hand controls. That's basically it.
I think that if you're used to a multi-geared bike then you'll do better. If you're used to a single speed bike, you're still going to have trouble with the Landrider, no matter how much less moving of levers is necessary to shift. You shift with your actions against the pedals rather than by hand controls. That's basically it.
04-11-11, 04:39 PM
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Landrider
The Landrider may be heavy, I don't know I ride mine and don't carry it. The Elite model weighs 29 lbs. I have the deluxe which is heavier I guess but I can't tell because I only carry it up an down stairs.
I've had mine since they were first introduced and haven't had a failure yet. I don't ride through brush piles so my derailleur has never fouled. This writer is right those old internally geared hubs were great in the 50's. I remember I thought they were the bee knees too. Then I rode my first Raleigh and joined the 20th century.
The Landrider is great you always are in the right gear and shifting is only a matter of a high - low change of the front derailleur. The ride is comfortable. I would certainly buy another if my ten year old one ever fails me.
I've had mine since they were first introduced and haven't had a failure yet. I don't ride through brush piles so my derailleur has never fouled. This writer is right those old internally geared hubs were great in the 50's. I remember I thought they were the bee knees too. Then I rode my first Raleigh and joined the 20th century.
The Landrider is great you always are in the right gear and shifting is only a matter of a high - low change of the front derailleur. The ride is comfortable. I would certainly buy another if my ten year old one ever fails me.
I have ridden a LandRider, just because I had to try the centrifugal force derailleur system. I don't reccomend the bike, but will make a reccomendation for you and your wife.
--the Landrider is HEAVY. The "magical" derailleur is still a derailleur, but one that only shifts if you pedal quickly enough and smoothly enough. It is easily fouled by debris and dirt (and I'd suggest the folks they market to aren't much into maintenance other than from the end of a hose). In operation, the shifting is novel, but not better than what it competes against: internally geared hubs like the Sturmey Archer hubs we all grew up with (and which are still made and sold). The quality of the frame and components are quite low.
--I suggest you consider bikes with internally geared rear hubs, such as those bikes sold by Electra, Giant, Breezer and Specialized. They are usually marketed as "comfort" "town" or "cruiser" bikes, and will address several of your concerns:
...internally geared hubs are shifted by a thumb lever or twist grip on the handlebar and are foolproof. On a 3 speed, you pick 1, 2 or 3 and it works seamlessly, every time. No dragging chain, no derailleur, no confusion.
...internally geared bikes come with various types of brakes, either with hand levers or the old-fashioned coaster brake that you actuate by pedaling backwards. Very easy.
...the townie, cruiser and comfort bikes have stable, relaxed geometry very well suited for beginner, tentative or even klutzy riders, and for those just seeking to get low-level exercise and transport.
--the Landrider is HEAVY. The "magical" derailleur is still a derailleur, but one that only shifts if you pedal quickly enough and smoothly enough. It is easily fouled by debris and dirt (and I'd suggest the folks they market to aren't much into maintenance other than from the end of a hose). In operation, the shifting is novel, but not better than what it competes against: internally geared hubs like the Sturmey Archer hubs we all grew up with (and which are still made and sold). The quality of the frame and components are quite low.
--I suggest you consider bikes with internally geared rear hubs, such as those bikes sold by Electra, Giant, Breezer and Specialized. They are usually marketed as "comfort" "town" or "cruiser" bikes, and will address several of your concerns:
...internally geared hubs are shifted by a thumb lever or twist grip on the handlebar and are foolproof. On a 3 speed, you pick 1, 2 or 3 and it works seamlessly, every time. No dragging chain, no derailleur, no confusion.
...internally geared bikes come with various types of brakes, either with hand levers or the old-fashioned coaster brake that you actuate by pedaling backwards. Very easy.
...the townie, cruiser and comfort bikes have stable, relaxed geometry very well suited for beginner, tentative or even klutzy riders, and for those just seeking to get low-level exercise and transport.
04-11-11, 04:45 PM
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Landrider
I'm a mechanic at a bike shop and I have worked on these bicycle shaped objects called "Landrider" In my humble opinion you would be much better served by going to (sigh I can't believe I'm saying this) Wal-mart and buying a three speed Huffy. The derailieur system on the Landrider is driven by a rubber band connecting from a pulley on the back of the deraillieur to a modified spoke protector. If the band breaks you're screwed. Also if you have to stop suddenly be prepared for your drivetrain to crunch and grind like a 15 yr old trying to drive stick for the first time. Do yourself a favor go to a bike shop (one where they don't sell video games a few aisles over) and browse their selections.
Bottom line if you're going to spend that kind of money get something worthwhile.
Bottom line if you're going to spend that kind of money get something worthwhile.
04-11-11, 07:29 PM
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The Landrider may be heavy, I don't know I ride mine and don't carry it. The Elite model weighs 29 lbs. I have the deluxe which is heavier I guess but I can't tell because I only carry it up an down stairs.
I've had mine since they were first introduced and haven't had a failure yet. I don't ride through brush piles so my derailleur has never fouled. This writer is right those old internally geared hubs were great in the 50's. I remember I thought they were the bee knees too. Then I rode my first Raleigh and joined the 20th century.
The Landrider is great you always are in the right gear and shifting is only a matter of a high - low change of the front derailleur. The ride is comfortable. I would certainly buy another if my ten year old one ever fails me.
I've had mine since they were first introduced and haven't had a failure yet. I don't ride through brush piles so my derailleur has never fouled. This writer is right those old internally geared hubs were great in the 50's. I remember I thought they were the bee knees too. Then I rode my first Raleigh and joined the 20th century.
The Landrider is great you always are in the right gear and shifting is only a matter of a high - low change of the front derailleur. The ride is comfortable. I would certainly buy another if my ten year old one ever fails me.
I've had the misfortune of having to service these pieces of crap as well. If another is ever brought to me to repair, I will refuse.
As far as I'm concerned they are misnamed. The Landrider should be called Landfill.
04-18-11, 10:09 AM
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Shill?
I will apologize profusely if shown to be wrong about this, but in reading through this very old thread, it becomes obvious that one or more persons registered with the forum and made one or two posts for no other reason than to be a shill for the Landrider. Show us you are not another.
I've had the misfortune of having to service these pieces of crap as well. If another is ever brought to me to repair, I will refuse.
As far as I'm concerned they are misnamed. The Landrider should be called Landfill.
I've had the misfortune of having to service these pieces of crap as well. If another is ever brought to me to repair, I will refuse.
As far as I'm concerned they are misnamed. The Landrider should be called Landfill.
I can tell by your tone you'd never apologize so get over yourself.
04-18-11, 12:36 PM
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I will apologize profusely if shown to be wrong about this, but in reading through this very old thread, it becomes obvious that one or more persons registered with the forum and made one or two posts for no other reason than to be a shill for the Landrider. Show us you are not another.
I've had the misfortune of having to service these pieces of crap as well. If another is ever brought to me to repair, I will refuse.
As far as I'm concerned they are misnamed. The Landrider should be called Landfill.
I've had the misfortune of having to service these pieces of crap as well. If another is ever brought to me to repair, I will refuse.
As far as I'm concerned they are misnamed. The Landrider should be called Landfill.
04-18-11, 02:11 PM
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Well, wadaya know, he came back.
Well if we're going to get personal about all this I'm ready. Perhaps your experience level as a "Bicycle Mechanic" is not such that it includes mechanical theory. Perhaps you should throw a leg over the bike and ride it (safely, before, not after you've worked on it) and judge then instead of "wah! wah! what is that rubber band thingie?" I think you're right, next time a Landrider comes in you should just say "I don't understand how it works, it is too complex for me. Take it to a smart mechanic." Because, you know what I don't have an internet "bicycle mechanic" certificate and I know how to repair and adjust mine if it ever needs repair (not so far - going on ten years).
I can tell by your tone you'd never apologize so get over yourself.
I can tell by your tone you'd never apologize so get over yourself.
Just read back through this thread, starting with the single poster OP, and tell me those suspicions are not justified.
I note, however, that you did not directly address my acusation, so apology witheld for now.
I am not an anomymous internet sniper. The name you see in the left column is an abrieviation of what appears on my driver's license.
If you tell me you are not a shill, are not affilliated with Landrider, and have not posted on this previously under a different name, I will take you at you word, and I WILL apologize.
My characterization of the Landrider stands however. The basic design is sound, and the freewheeling chainwheel and fixed cassette are an ingenious way to make the mechanism work to downshift while coasting.
The issues are, too many wear points, and not enough adjustments to compensate for wear.
And the big one, too many proprietary parts that are unobtainable when replacement is indicated.
Glad you enjoy your bike.
04-20-11, 06:13 AM
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I'll throw in my two cents on these things...
I've worked on plenty of these and their predecessors the Auto Bike and I feel that they are a solution looking for a problem. Yes, you don't have to shift them but you do have to learn when they are going to change gears and if you don't you are rewarded with a lot of unhappy noises and a bike that will skip or slam into the next gear. Push them hard or accelerate quickly and they will bang through the gears which could cause you to slip off of the slick plastic pedals and meet the ground with your face. Learning when the bike is going to shift and knowing when to ease up so it does so smoothly is tougher than learning how to use a modern index system with grip shifters. You still have to shift the front derailleur on these things which kind of defeats the purpose of an "automatic" bike. If you can make a smooth shift in the front, then you can certainly shift the gears in the back.
The design is brilliant on paper but poorly executed due to keeping the cost down. It's neat but it's still a novelty item and anybody than can learn to ride one of these could easily learn a simple index shifting system.
I've worked on plenty of these and their predecessors the Auto Bike and I feel that they are a solution looking for a problem. Yes, you don't have to shift them but you do have to learn when they are going to change gears and if you don't you are rewarded with a lot of unhappy noises and a bike that will skip or slam into the next gear. Push them hard or accelerate quickly and they will bang through the gears which could cause you to slip off of the slick plastic pedals and meet the ground with your face. Learning when the bike is going to shift and knowing when to ease up so it does so smoothly is tougher than learning how to use a modern index system with grip shifters. You still have to shift the front derailleur on these things which kind of defeats the purpose of an "automatic" bike. If you can make a smooth shift in the front, then you can certainly shift the gears in the back.
The design is brilliant on paper but poorly executed due to keeping the cost down. It's neat but it's still a novelty item and anybody than can learn to ride one of these could easily learn a simple index shifting system.
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Tune in next week for the revival of an 8-year-old Trikke discussion.
How did they come up with "Landrider" anyway? If they made a boat would thay call it the "Seafloater"?
How did they come up with "Landrider" anyway? If they made a boat would thay call it the "Seafloater"?
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I'll throw in my two cents on these things...
I've worked on plenty of these and their predecessors the Auto Bike and I feel that they are a solution looking for a problem. Yes, you don't have to shift them but you do have to learn when they are going to change gears and if you don't you are rewarded with a lot of unhappy noises and a bike that will skip or slam into the next gear. Push them hard or accelerate quickly and they will bang through the gears which could cause you to slip off of the slick plastic pedals and meet the ground with your face. Learning when the bike is going to shift and knowing when to ease up so it does so smoothly is tougher than learning how to use a modern index system with grip shifters. You still have to shift the front derailleur on these things which kind of defeats the purpose of an "automatic" bike. If you can make a smooth shift in the front, then you can certainly shift the gears in the back.
The design is brilliant on paper but poorly executed due to keeping the cost down. It's neat but it's still a novelty item and anybody than can learn to ride one of these could easily learn a simple index shifting system.
I've worked on plenty of these and their predecessors the Auto Bike and I feel that they are a solution looking for a problem. Yes, you don't have to shift them but you do have to learn when they are going to change gears and if you don't you are rewarded with a lot of unhappy noises and a bike that will skip or slam into the next gear. Push them hard or accelerate quickly and they will bang through the gears which could cause you to slip off of the slick plastic pedals and meet the ground with your face. Learning when the bike is going to shift and knowing when to ease up so it does so smoothly is tougher than learning how to use a modern index system with grip shifters. You still have to shift the front derailleur on these things which kind of defeats the purpose of an "automatic" bike. If you can make a smooth shift in the front, then you can certainly shift the gears in the back.
The design is brilliant on paper but poorly executed due to keeping the cost down. It's neat but it's still a novelty item and anybody than can learn to ride one of these could easily learn a simple index shifting system.
A bit of experience and listening to any derailleur will tell you all you need about when it's shifting, the chain begins to ride onto the next sprocket and ding-ding! the derailleur is going up or down a gear. Same with the Landrider. Any bike will shift with a jerk if shifted under load on the pedals. It's the nature of the beast. If you find your pedals too slick then clean your shoes or change the pedals. I've had the stock pedals on mine since day one and I've never had a slipping problem. The front derailleur is a high low range item and I see it as very convenient for when you're pedaling too hard for a smooth rear derailleur shift. I learned decades ago to lighten my pedaling for easier shifting.
As I've said in other posts I got a Landrider when they first came out and have had it on and off road for long and short rides. Needs seat and fork boot replacement, but the rest is still stock. If it ever became unrideable or unrepairable I'd by another in a second.
I think your type of rider should stick with the simple index shifting. Let others evolve past them.
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Does this make you outwitted? Under-witted? Witless. I do know there is no 'a' in they.
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Simple riders like me should indeed stick with indexed shifting.
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05-12-11, 04:33 AM
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What? There has been a study on this? Sources, please... 
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To err is human. To moo is bovine.
Who is this General Failure anyway, and why is he reading my drive?
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05-12-11, 07:37 AM
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Why are people still posting here? This thread is nearly 7-1/2 years old.
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The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love. - Psalm 103:8
I am a cyclist. I am not the fastest or the fittest. But I will get to where I'm going with a smile on my face.