Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

General Cycling Discussion Have a cycling related question or comment that doesn't fit in one of the other specialty forums? Drop on in and post in here! When possible, please select the forum above that most fits your post!

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 06-02-08, 09:33 AM   #1
ablang
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Sacramento, CA USA
Bikes: not worth mentioning
Posts: 174
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
catching a thief in the act?

If you guys were to walk out to your bike (from inside the store, or from inside your house, etc), what or how would you react to that (in various scenarios)?

Like say what are you allowed to do to a thief that has your seat off and was in the process of taking off other parts (locked outside of a store)?

What would you do in other situations? What if the thief tries to run away?
ablang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-02-08, 10:07 AM   #2
Nightshade
Humvee of bikes =Worksman
 
Nightshade's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Bikes:
Posts: 5,363
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by ablang View Post
If you guys were to walk out to your bike (from inside the store, or from inside your house, etc), what or how would you react to that (in various scenarios)?

Like say what are you allowed to do to a thief that has your seat off and was in the process of taking off other parts (locked outside of a store)?

What would you do in other situations? What if the thief tries to run away?
NOTHING on your bike is worth your life ....is it? So unless you are an ex-Navy Seal let the
thief go. This is a case were it really is only money.
__________________
My preferred bicycle brand is.......WORKSMAN CYCLES
I dislike clipless pedals on any city bike since I feel they are unsafe.

Originally Posted by krazygluon
Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
Aluminum: barely a hundred, which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?
Nightshade is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-02-08, 10:35 AM   #3
vulcan
Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 36
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Scream, holler, call police - do something...

Dane-Geld
A.D. 980-1016
It is always a temptation to an armed and agile nation
To call upon a neighbour and to say: --
"We invaded you last night--we are quite prepared to fight,
Unless you pay us cash to go away."

And that is called asking for Dane-geld,
And the people who ask it explain
That you've only to pay 'em the Dane-geld
And then you'll get rid of the Dane!

It is always a temptation for a rich and lazy nation,
To puff and look important and to say: --
"Though we know we should defeat you, we have not the time to meet you.
We will therefore pay you cash to go away."

And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
But we've proved it again and again,
That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
You never get rid of the Dane.

It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
For fear they should succumb and go astray;
So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
You will find it better policy to say: --

"We never pay any-one Dane-geld,
No matter how trifling the cost;
For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
And the nation that pays it is lost!"
vulcan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-02-08, 10:46 AM   #4
Allen
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Bikes:
Posts: 4,751
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
In this order:
Pull cell phone out of pocket,
start video feature, dial 911,
run away like a little girl if need be,
pull tactical knife and become seriously dangerous only if cornered.
Allen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-02-08, 10:52 AM   #5
Arrowana
Senior Member
 
Arrowana's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Bikes: 1988 Schwinn Premis | 2015 Cannondale Rush | A Single Speed | 1993 Giant ATX 780
Posts: 584
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Assuming I'd actually catch up to them, I'd beat the **** out of them. Yes, you can argue that your bike isn't worth as much as their life, but they shouldn't be stealing it in the first place.

I guess it does depend on the situation though. The above is what I'd like to do, but I guess in some situations that probably isn't the best choice.

Last edited by Arrowana; 06-02-08 at 10:56 AM.
Arrowana is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-02-08, 11:07 AM   #6
MichaelW
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: England
Bikes:
Posts: 12,926
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
I caught 2 crack-heads testing the locks at the railway station. They inserted an really long screwdriver into each cable lock and gave it a few twists. Most of the locks resisted this amateur thievery.
I know enough about close quatrer combat to know it would be really stupid to challenge these two scumbags. They outnumbered, me, were armed with something long and pointy and had the moral scruples of a cockroach (apologies to any roaches reading this). Plus in a small city they would probably see me again and this time it would be personal. Ive had irrational street people focus their frustrations on me and it can be really scary.
I informed the station staff and suggested they inform the police.
MichaelW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-02-08, 11:07 AM   #7
BarracksSi
Bike ≠ Car ≠ Ped.
 
BarracksSi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Washington, DC
Bikes: Some bikes. Hell, they're all the same, ain't they?
Posts: 13,858
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Walk up and say, "Hey bro, let me help you with that," unlock your U-lock, and beat the %#!@ out of them with it.
BarracksSi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-02-08, 11:08 AM   #8
Keith99
Senior Member
 
Keith99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Bikes:
Posts: 5,866
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tightwad View Post
NOTHING on your bike is worth your life ....is it? So unless you are an ex-Navy Seal let the
thief go. This is a case were it really is only money.
This is where things change a lot if it is home or elsewhere. Elsewhere you are right it is only money. Home it is a case of someone invading my home. The bike is in the garage. So are the dogs. They are family. This actually means this will never happen at home, no one risks even little dogs for that kind of money. So I'd call 911 then go to help my 2 four legged friends or more likely watch the poor cornered fool until the police get there.
Keith99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-02-08, 11:47 AM   #9
forensicchemist
40 something and counting
 
forensicchemist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: dallas/ft.worth texas
Bikes: Colnago,Tsunami, Kestrel, Univega
Posts: 421
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
In Texas you can be licensed to carry a concealed hand gun.......and heck, everyone knows most of us down here have several about the house anyways.....
forensicchemist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-02-08, 12:01 PM   #10
Allen
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Bikes:
Posts: 4,751
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith99 View Post
This is where things change a lot if it is home or elsewhere. Elsewhere you are right it is only money. Home it is a case of someone invading my home.
If someone breaks into my home it's good that Georgia has passed similar castle laws to Texas'.
They would also have to deal with Norman as well as my crack shot self.

Allen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-02-08, 12:13 PM   #11
becnal
I'm made of earth!
 
becnal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Frankfurt, Germany
Bikes: Raleigh Aspen touring/off-road hybrid, and a Bob Yak trailer. Yak very useful for us car-free types that like to buy lots of beer.
Posts: 2,012
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by BarracksSi View Post
Walk up and say, "Hey bro, let me help you with that," unlock your U-lock, and beat the %#!@ out of them with it.
+1. Although I would say that, unlock my bike, and then stand there looking at him with the lock in my hand.
becnal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-02-08, 12:38 PM   #12
tekknoschtev
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Lansing, MI
Bikes:
Posts: 323
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I've pondered this situation with both my bike (too many quick release things, but they are locked down) and my car (convertible which I occasionally will park with the top down but nothing in the car and for only a short period of time). My car will go into lock down if the alarm is tripped, but that won't prevent someone from grabbing at anything in the car or slashing the leather, so I normally put the top back up.

Often times, just asking/yelling "what are you doing?" or "something I can help you with?" will send the would be opportunistic scum booking. I saw that happen once actually, all the guy said was "looking for something?" and the would-be thief took off and probably had to change his pants later. If the thief persisted from that point, I'd let them have at it. I don't like to be a push over, especaily when someone is violating my personal space or property but as it stands, my bike was free and I put ~ $110 worth of stuff into/on it and if they're determined they're going to get it anyways.

MOST of the time, the thieves who are grabbing at quick release seats and trying haphazardly to circumvent locks are more opportunistic scavengers than hard core criminals (though they should be treated the same in terms of justice) and will choose flight over fight when confronted. So I'd personally make my presence known (even if it wasn't my bike, if I saw someone attempting to cut a lock off I'd ask since I know how I'd feel if it was my bike being violated) but beyond that, not get physical.
tekknoschtev is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-02-08, 12:45 PM   #13
CastIron
Sensible shoes.
 
CastIron's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: St. Paul,MN
Bikes: A few.
Posts: 8,799
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Depends on all the usual variables. Odds are, the fellow would meet me promptly.
__________________
Mike
Quote:
Originally Posted by cedricbosch View Post
It looks silly when you have quotes from other forum members in your signature. Nobody on this forum is that funny.
Quote:
Originally Posted by cedricbosch View Post
Why am I in your signature.
CastIron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-02-08, 12:55 PM   #14
BarracksSi
Bike ≠ Car ≠ Ped.
 
BarracksSi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Washington, DC
Bikes: Some bikes. Hell, they're all the same, ain't they?
Posts: 13,858
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by becnal View Post
+1. Although I would say that, unlock my bike, and then stand there looking at him with the lock in my hand.
That would be hilarious.
BarracksSi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-02-08, 01:46 PM   #15
Little Darwin
The Improbable Bulk
 
Little Darwin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA
Bikes: Many
Posts: 8,401
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
I like my bike... I like my butt a lot more, and I'm not going to let some sadistic psychopath in jail threaten the one I really want to protect because I decide to whail on some petty thief to protect one I can replace for a few hundred dollars...

But that's just me.

If any of y'all prefer to take the chance to meet Bubba the body building boy banger in order to take out a little vengeance to protect your bike, then that is your choice...

I agree that if the bike is in your home the rules change...
__________________
Slow Ride Cyclists of NEPA

People do not seem to realize that their opinion of the world is also a confession of character.
- Ralph Waldo Emerson
Little Darwin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-02-08, 01:56 PM   #16
blamire
Senior Member
 
blamire's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 771
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
take down his details politely.
blamire is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-02-08, 02:19 PM   #17
Black Shuck
cycling n00b
 
Black Shuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: West Coast of Finland
Bikes: EAI Brassknuckle fixed Sannino fixed, Thorn Club Tour, Soma Smoothie
Posts: 582
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
My brother met someone riding his MTB that was stolen a few weeks ago the day before yesterday, inspected the bike, called the police and gave chase when the other guy took off on the bike. He stayed on the phone with the dispatcher for the whole chase and led the police to a store where the guy had locked the bike up. The police went in and fetched the person, noticed he was also wanted for something else and handed the bike to my brother and took the thief/reciever of stolen goods in custody. I'm still waiting for his write-up in english to be posted to his blog, can link to it when it is.

Goes to show, sometimes a little civillian courage pays off.
Black Shuck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-02-08, 03:05 PM   #18
jwhit75
Member
 
jwhit75's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Cincinnati Ohio
Bikes: 89'Giant bmx 2004 reprduction schwinn grey ghost stingray,2003 GT performer and a dk generallee
Posts: 44
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
id open a can of whip *****.ive been to see bubba several times for less, and he aint so tuff!
jwhit75 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-08, 01:30 AM   #19
Doug5150
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: IL-USA
Bikes:
Posts: 1,661
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by ablang View Post
If you guys were to walk out to your bike (from inside the store, or from inside your house, etc), what or how would you react to that (in various scenarios)? ...
Hard to say right off--but if it was just one person, I would most likely jump on them and ruin their day, one way or another. I'm a fairly tall/large guy though, a 75-lb woman would not think the same.

When riding, I usually carry a Spyderco knife on a pull-off cord around my neck, and wouldn't hesitate to cut an adult--just not anywhere or badly enough to be life-threatening. The outside of the forearm is good because it incapacitates the gripping strength of that hand.

....If the thief looked like they might be a minor (under 18 years old) I would not use a knife at all, and probably just try to give them a good kick in the groin. Generally speaking, being charged with assaulting a minor is a considerably deeper amount of sh*t than assaulting another adult is--even if the minor was stealing your property at the time. Kicking a 14-yr old in the nuts is still an assault, but it's one that a judge might chuckle over in his chamber. No judge is going to go easy on you for doing permanent damage to a kid.

I would not call the police in either case above; I would just gather my stuff and then leave. If the thief/victim wants to call the cops then that's fine, I'll take it either way--but it's less hassle for me to just leave and assume they learned a lesson already.

-----

If I was at home and I saw it happening, I would be able to access a handgun, but my plans get murky at this point.... If I confront them and they move to attack me, they're getting shot, if they look twelve or ninety-two. If they dropped the bike and ran off, I wouldn't do anything, just let them go and call the cops.

If they start to leave with the bike, then that's the part I don't know about.... I can't imagine that shooting someone for trying to steal your bicycle is good legal advice (or even philosophically reasonable)--yet I don't like the idea of giving it away either.

-------

I do not believe that you should ever let a thief get away "just because there's no police there". You should always try to make sure that the thief either gets caught, or alternately, gets hurt. As an upstanding member of society, you should NEVER let crime be a risk-free proposition.
~
Doug5150 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-08, 02:35 AM   #20
Kimmitt 
Senior Member
 
Kimmitt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Oceanside, CA
Bikes: Electra Townie 3i with xtracycle, Surly Cross-Check
Posts: 952
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Yeah, a quick kick in the nuts is pretty much where I'd start. Bike thieves don't tend to run in packs.
Kimmitt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-08, 07:14 AM   #21
gascostalot
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 247
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Doctrine

+

gascostalot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-08, 07:26 AM   #22
black_box
Fax Transport Specialist
 
black_box's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: chicago burbs
Bikes: '17 giant propel, '07 fuji cross pro, '10 gary fisher x-caliber
Posts: 926
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 23 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug5150 View Post
I would not call the police in either case above; I would just gather my stuff and then leave. If the thief/victim wants to call the cops then that's fine, I'll take it either way--but it's less hassle for me to just leave and assume they learned a lesson already.
if you cut them with a knife or use a weapon, it might be a good idea to call the police just so the first word to go on paper is yours. Besides, if they go to the hospital, they might be able to cross reference the wound with the report? or maybe thats just wishful thinking.
black_box is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-08, 09:19 AM   #23
dobber
Perineal Pressurized
 
dobber's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: In Ebritated
Bikes:
Posts: 6,557
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
A well annunciated "Hey, what are you doing there" would probably be enough to scare him off. Thieves don't like being noticed.
__________________
This is Africa, 1943. War spits out its violence overhead and the sandy graveyard swallows it up. Her name is King Nine, B-25, medium bomber, Twelfth Air Force. On a hot, still morning she took off from Tunisia to bomb the southern tip of Italy. An errant piece of flak tore a hole in a wing tank and, like a wounded bird, this is where she landed, not to return on this day, or any other day.
dobber is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-08, 10:11 AM   #24
Wiggle
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Halifax, NS
Bikes: 2013 Jamis Ventura Sport, 2008 Trek 7100
Posts: 279
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
If they were under 200lbs and not intimidating I'd imagine i'd confront them.
Wiggle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-08, 10:26 AM   #25
MMACH 5
Cycle Dallas
 
MMACH 5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Land of Gar, TX
Bikes: Lucinda--2010 Jamis Aurora Elite & a few others
Posts: 3,616
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
I'd probably yell as I approached something like "Get the F*** away from my bike!"

Where things go from from there, I guess depends on how he reacts, (as well as what "tools" I have at my disposal).
MMACH 5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:30 PM.