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    Schwinn....

    Hey all,

    My wife has actually said she wants a bike! . She said she found a Schwinn at Wally-World that she likes (I found it cheaper at K-Mart ) - http://www.kmart.com/shc/s/p_10151_1...W981174110001P

    Now I know the big problem with big-box store bikes is the assembly.... I figure I can get it in the box, and put it together myself and solve part of that problem.

    For an around town (flat land) and occasional ride to work bike, would this be ok? I'm just warry of buying a Schwinn (I have heard that their quality has gone to POOP in the last decade or so).

    What do you all think (She has a thing for PINK )?

    TIA
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    Assembly is definitely not the only problem with those bikes. I'll let someone else get in this though (because I'm sure they will).
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    Quote Originally Posted by devildogmech View Post
    What do you all think (She has a thing for PINK )?
    I think you'd be better off spending twice that much and getting her a pink Electra. The dealer will stand behind it better and it will retain a much higher percentage of its value next year if it's not getting used as much as it should be.

    The Schwinn is what it is. At least it doesn't have the crap Shimano C050 derailleurs and ridiculously cheap brakes that are so likely to fail in the first few hundred miles.

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    So if you spend $300 on an Electra and can resell if for $200 vs. spending $119 on the Schwinn and can only resell it for $20, that sounds like a wash to me.

    My only concern would be whether this bike is suitable for any ride to work. Is it a really, really flat ride? I like gears. I also like hand-operated brakes.

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    There are two grades of Schwinns;the ones sold at Wally World,and the ones sold at LBS's. I had a DBX SuperSport from an LBS,and it was a quality machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by devildogmech View Post
    Hey all,

    My wife has actually said she wants a bike! . She said she found a Schwinn at Wally-World that she likes (I found it cheaper at K-Mart ) - http://www.kmart.com/shc/s/p_10151_1...W981174110001P

    Now I know the big problem with big-box store bikes is the assembly.... I figure I can get it in the box, and put it together myself and solve part of that problem.

    For an around town (flat land) and occasional ride to work bike, would this be ok? I'm just warry of buying a Schwinn (I have heard that their quality has gone to POOP in the last decade or so).

    What do you all think (She has a thing for PINK )?

    TIA
    Billy
    if you're wary about quality, why buy a bike at K/Wal-mart?
    ugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonEclipse View Post
    You're gonna get flamed because you mentioned Wal Mart AND Schwinn.
    Yeah, I knew that would happen.

    I commute on a 94/5' TREK 750. She is refusing to spend any decent money on a bike, and says "a bike is a bike!".... I know better.... you know better.... too bad she dosent.

    I know that schwinn's are also sold in LBS's and had heard that the assembly at Wally-world was a major part of the problems with the bikes (had heard that the same bikes sold at the LBS's are "better" because of the professional assy)

    I'll look at the electra's

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    Quote Originally Posted by devildogmech View Post
    Hey all,

    My wife has actually said she wants a bike! . She said she found a Schwinn at Wally-World that she likes (I found it cheaper at K-Mart ) - http://www.kmart.com/shc/s/p_10151_1...W981174110001P

    Now I know the big problem with big-box store bikes is the assembly.... I figure I can get it in the box, and put it together myself and solve part of that problem.

    For an around town (flat land) and occasional ride to work bike, would this be ok? I'm just warry of buying a Schwinn (I have heard that their quality has gone to POOP in the last decade or so).

    What do you all think (She has a thing for PINK )?

    TIA
    Billy
    Billy,

    I think you should place the opinion of your wife over what of a bunch of strangers on the internet (who don't know beans about your wife or the specific bike in question) think is OK for her.

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    Does it have to be NEW?

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    having repaired many a customers crappy department store bikes i know first hand how bad these can be...not only assembly wise but also quality of parts. they just plain do not hold up and work so poorly she is sure to not enjoy riding it long term. Check out the giant simple single, its giants cruiser that is pretty similar to what you posted but much nicer quality and the backing of a bike shop for only $100 more, also much cheaper than electras which i think the singlespeed townies start around $380 so that one would be even a bit harder to spend the money on.

    http://giant-bicycles.com/en-US/bikes/women/1278/29349/

    good luck getting her into riding

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    Well, I officially give up..... She wont listen to advice. She asks a question, dosent like the answer and then gets angry at me..... I told her to get her own damn bike.... I doubt she will, and if she does, it will probably get ridden once..... What a waste, she just dosent get it.
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    You could probably buy a much nicer used bike for that money.
    Not too much to say here

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    Quote Originally Posted by devildogmech View Post
    Well, I officially give up..... She wont listen to advice. She asks a question, dosent like the answer and then gets angry at me..... I told her to get her own damn bike.... I doubt she will, and if she does, it will probably get ridden once..... What a waste, she just dosent get it.
    Walmart Schwinn will be fine for her, that's all I ride, and they don't fall apart or break down anymore than any other bicycle. So don't believe the BS in here, for everyone story they post up, I can go to the repair forum in here and find all sorts of whacko things happening to $1,000 bicycles.

    I've ridden Walmart bikes along the Blue Ridge Parkway, ridden them on the C&O trail, ridden them from South Carolina to Texas, and I ride one every day around 10 to 15 miles a day.

    Remember, there's a reason why **REPAIRING** LBS bicycles is a huge market...

    The current Walmart bike I bought in March has 1,300+ miles on it, only thing went wrong was a cracked pedal... So I had to spend a whopping 7 bucks to replace that. The Walmart bike I took with around 60 pounds of stuff attached to it from South Carolina to Texas.... only had a few flats....

    So congrats.... you just let the neo-cyclo supremacist run another potential bicycle rider off the streets because she wanted a "walmart" bike.

    Let her buy what she wants... no wonder she is mad at you....

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    I am not at all a bike snob, but almost all the bikes sold at the x-marts are really bad. Poor assembly is a problem. But cruddy components are the real problem. An inexpensive, but decent bike can be a joy to ride. A hog is not fun to ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgedwa View Post
    I am not at all a bike snob, but almost all the bikes sold at the x-marts are really bad.
    Disagree somewhat. I ride them without major problems. Of course, I do my own maintenance and such, but you've got to maintain any bicycle on the planet. But I do agree about the assembly at times, you should check the assembly and tweak what's needed or assemble it yourself. It's a small price to save a few hundred dollars.

    Remember that the majority of the world's bike riders (China, India etc) don't ride LBS type bicycles.

    An inexpensive, but decent bike can be a joy to ride.
    As can a Walmart bike, which happens to be inexpensive. I ride mine for two reasons. First is fun, second is exercise. I don't give a darn about speed, fitting in with the neo-snobs, or spend mega bucks on cycling gear.

    jgedwa, what this thread did was to totally discourage someone from riding a bicycle. These snobs aren't bicycling advocates at all, if anything, they turn people off from it. I'm an advocate for anyone riding a bike , rather it be a LBS bike, a Walmart bike, or a Goodwill bicycle. The idea is supposed to get people riding and support their activity no matter what they ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dynaryder View Post
    I had a DBX SuperSport from an LBS,and it was a quality machine.
    It still is.

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    Of course, I am all for anyone riding any bike. Far better than the alternative. And you are right to point out that the bikes that are ridden in China would not be accepted here. Ever seen one of those bikes? They are leadsleds. Their biggest disadvantage is that they have terrible performance. They are sluggish and unwieldy. But, to their credit, they are tough as nails. Xmart bikes usually do not have that advantage.

    In my modest experience (I have owned several, flipped several more, and often look at them when I am in the store) the vast majority of them have flimsy yet heavy parts that are often non-standard. They are very difficult to maintain.

    Decent bikes have two hallmarks: they tend to stay in tune, and when out of tune it is straightforward how to return them into tune.

    I think that most people, with most of those bikes, could not claim either advantage.

    This is not even to bring up the fact that so many of them have horrible, heavy, essentially non-functional suspensions. This adds cost, weight, and chance of breaking.

    They bikes they sell are cheap. Nothing wrong with cheap. But there is honest cheap and dishonest cheap. Honest cheap is simple and basic. Dishonest cheap pretends to be something it is not. Dishonest cheap is not worth any amount of money. The vast majority of xmarts bikes are dishonest cheap.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by gpsblake View Post
    Disagree somewhat. I ride them without major problems. Of course, I do my own maintenance and such, but you've got to maintain any bicycle on the planet. But I do agree about the assembly at times, you should check the assembly and tweak what's needed or assemble it yourself. It's a small price to save a few hundred dollars.

    Remember that the majority of the world's bike riders (China, India etc) don't ride LBS type bicycles.


    As can a Walmart bike, which happens to be inexpensive. I ride mine for two reasons. First is fun, second is exercise. I don't give a darn about speed, fitting in with the neo-snobs, or spend mega bucks on cycling gear.

    jgedwa, what this thread did was to totally discourage someone from riding a bicycle. These snobs aren't bicycling advocates at all, if anything, they turn people off from it. I'm an advocate for anyone riding a bike , rather it be a LBS bike, a Walmart bike, or a Goodwill bicycle. The idea is supposed to get people riding and support their activity no matter what they ride.
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    I agree with gpsblake, I-like-to-bike, & Andy K. It's gonna be *Her* bike, so: get what she wants. Ask her to look at other pink bikes if any local bike shops have any- if they don't have anything pink in stock, *or* if she just doesn't want to bother, get her the Schwinn she wants. For only $120 new- well, have you bought gasoline lately? If you don't get what she wants, you'll almost surely regret it- a lot! Besides, she'll be a lot more likely to ride a bike she chose herself. And when you ride together, go at a pace she can keep up with. None of this,"See how slow it is, I *Told* you to get something else!" nonsense. And if something should break on it, fix it for her cheerfully, without saying- or even hinting at- "I told you so!"

    She's shown an interest in doing something you like to do, so meet her more than halfway. It's your job to encourage her. Remember that always.

    If (Once?) you get the Schwinn(or any other new cheap bike), check the grease & assembly in the bottom bracket, headtube & wheel bearings & chain tension, get it ready to roll for her, & then hand it over all checked out, serviced & ready to ride. Remember the tire pressure! (extra points for you if you can do all that & give it to her as a surprise!)

    It may be all the bike she ever wants- or it may be one for her to learn on- things like"gears would be nice", etc, & lead to other bikes. If she does want to move up, by then she'll probably be a lot more interested in specs & quality. That'll be her decision too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgedwa View Post
    In my modest experience (I have owned several, flipped several more, and often look at them when I am in the store) the vast majority of them have flimsy yet heavy parts that are often non-standard.
    I found one with plastic brake levers, which included plastic clamps and plastic lever housings that were so soft that their pivots were binding, adding so much resistance that the whole lever assembly flexed before any reasonable amount of pressure could actually be applied to the brake pads.

    Literally, the entire brake lever assembly was plastic except for the pivot bolt(s?) and the screw that held the mounting clamp shut.

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    I let my wife buy and ride Wally bikes for some time, then I let her ride my commuter one time on a long bike ride, she still grumbles about how much the last LBS bicycle cost her, but she no longer says "a bike is a bike".

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    Thanks ya'll....

    The wife and I had an argument about bikes last night.... She dosent understand that sometimes quality costs a little more..... We have a 7yo son who needs to LEARN how to ride. I've been looking for a bike that I can get him on (With his butt on the seat and his feet flat on the ground). What I have found (Electra's, Trek ect) are around $2-250. She is agast at spending that kind of money on "a kids bike" She dosent understand that the reason he couldnt get off of training wheels on his BMX type bike, was 1) it was twitchy and 2) he couldnt put his feet flat on the ground (fear of falling).
    Then we got into her bike. She does not understand that build quality has anything to do with price.... (Yes you can find screaming deals on a new bike, I dont think this schwinn is one of them) She asked me what I thought of this bike. I told her 1) it has no gears (we live in Indiana, and its flat, but not THAT flat) and 2) The build qualtiy probably isnt very good and I doubt you will enjoy riding it.
    She just kept saying that she cant understand why people spend $300 on a bike. When I pointed out that the LHT I want costs around $1200 she FLIPPED OUT! (yet she has no problem spending $40k on a delux touring min-van????)
    She had origionally said that she might like to ride to work occasionally.... GREAT! Then last night she said "I'll NEVER ride to work its TOO DANGEROUS! (We work at St. Catherines Hospital in E. Chicago IN. Not a great neighborhood, but its realy not that bad).

    Why do I bother?

    Thanks all. I told her to get what ever bike she wanted, I wasnt involved any more (why ask for help if you wont take it?)

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    Have you considered choosing an appropriate bike for her, then giving it as a gift?

    It sounds like you already know her tastes, just satisfy your own need to invest in quality, whether it's a new bike or something vintage you can fix up.
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    In der UK ve haff 'Halfords': a nationwide store chain that sells car accessories and cycles. It started off as a cycle store back in the day, but it's a car store now. AKA 'Halfrauds' with a reputation for the cheap and cheerful.

    They sell 'Apollo' brand steel Chinese bikes. You can get a full suspension bike that will go up hills, down them, tour, race, and win the Tour De France for 99.00 - about $200. They have sales - like every week - your 99.00 special can be picked up for 75.00. The components are , er sturdy - I'm being kind here. They are heavy. They are not pretty.

    I bought a Halfrauds Apollo 'mountain bike' ten years or more ago, it got me back into cycling, and it lasted three years with nothing breaking. I commuted to the station during the week, then rode it down nature trails at the weekend. Yes, it was pink. It was 75.00. It refused to die. It didn't get maintenance. Nothing fell off and I didn't have to clean it.

    Eventually I wanted lighter and faster and sold my Apollo to a g/f for 50.00.

    Moral:

    Let your wife choose what she wants. There's nothing worse than a) cycle snobs, b) men who 'choose' stuff for women on the basis that women 'don't know' what they want, and c) women who tolerate a) or b).

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    Quote Originally Posted by snafu21 View Post

    Moral:

    Let your wife choose what she wants. There's nothing worse than a) cycle snobs, b) men who 'choose' stuff for women on the basis that women 'don't know' what they want, and c) women who tolerate a) or b).

    :-)



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    Quote Originally Posted by devildogmech View Post
    I told her to get what ever bike she wanted, I wasnt involved any more (why ask for help if you wont take it?)
    Wrong, wrong, wrong...

    You live with her, and if she is not happy you will not be happy.

    Take yourself out of the argument, you will not ever win or sway her.

    I made a big mistake in 1981. My wife's Schwinn 73 Varsity and my '74 Continental were stolen from our garage on my son's 5th birthday. (fortunately the thieves did not take his new bike)
    The homeowners insurance agreed to replace the bikes. I replaced her drop down rider for a more mom like bike, a Schwinn Suburban 5 speed, and myself a Continental.

    She never liked the bike, she rode it, but never liked it. So last mothers day I took her to local bike shop to pick out her new bike. She dealt with the sales staff, test rode the selections, and made her choice and has been loving her bike ever since.

    If you just ask your wife to visit the LBS s, and test ride some different makes, models and listen to the sales person, then she will have better idea of the big box store bike that will fit her and she will have more of an idea which bargain bike she will enjoy and be proud to ride. You must be supportive otherwise you will never be happy.

    Let the LBS staff do the educating, let them argue against her points, agree with her concerns, avoid taking any side, or point her to one model or another, our objective, to allow her to make her choice and be happy with that choice, right or wrong, regardless what you say you will be wrong.

    This simple rule I learned about 5 or 6 years ago would have made my 33 years of marriage so much smoother if adapted earlier in our partnership -
    Wife's 50/50/90 Rule - If your wife asks for you to make a decision and there is only 2 answers (50/50), (right/wrong, left/right, between two colors, higher/lower, etc), 90% of the time you will be wrong.

    Avoid those situations at all costs, but understand the reality of the truth when you are incorrect.

    All the best...

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