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Old 01-08-04, 09:18 PM   #1
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Mountain Lion kills bicyclist

Mountain lion kills bicyclist
A second person also is attacked in Whiting Ranch Wilderness Park.


A mountian lion, similar to this one seen in a file photo, attacked two bicylcists in separate incidents in Whiting Ranch today, killing one.
JEBB HARRIS, THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER
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• Timeline of mountain lion attacks in O.C.


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A mountain lion killed one bicyclist and injured a second this afternoon in separate attacks in Whiting Ranch Wilderness Park, authorities said.

According to reports, the dead victim was found in a ravine after the person’s mountain bike was apparently abandoned on the Cactus Run trail.

The second victim, a woman named Ann, was riding with another woman when the lion reappeared and attacked her. As the lion pulled the victim into a ditch, her friend grabbed her legs and fought a desperate tug of war with the animal.

Another group of mountain bikers arrived and threw rocks to scare away the mountain lion.

"We hit it square with all three rocks," one of the men told KCBS-TV/2.

The injured woman reportedly suffered head and neck injuries and was taken to Mission Hospital.

A 911 call was received at 4:40 p.m.

Trackers and sheriff’s deputies were searching for the lion tonight.
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Thursday, January 8, 2004
Timeline of mountain lion attacks in O.C.





Before today, the most significant incidents in Orange County involving mountain lions occurred in 1986 when two children were mauled at Caspers Wilderness Park in separate incidents. In March of that year, 5-year-old Laura Small was mauled, the first attack in California in 77 years. The park was briefly closed. In October, Justin Mellon, 6, was mauled by a lion. The park was closed to children in 1992 after the Small family won a $1.5 million lawsuit against the county. The park was reopened to children in 1995.

Some other incidents involving mountain lions in recent years:

• September 2003: A mountain lion was sighted twice at the Ortega Equestrian Center in San Juan Capistrano, leading state Fish and Game officers to trap and kill the animal in early October.

• August 2003: A mountain lion was suspected when a small dog was attacked in its backyard in Nellie Gail Ranch. The dog had to be put to sleep.

• February 2003: Whiting Ranch Wildnerness Park was closed for 24 hours after a mountain lion was sighted by three different people in one day – a jogger, a biker and a ranger.

• January 2003: A 90-pound mountain lion was shot and killed by a Silverado Canyon resident after he found it attacking two of his goats.

• May 2002: U.S. Fish and Wildlife biologists reported a highly unusual sighting of a mountain lion in Laguna Coast Wilderness Park.

• February 2001: Two mountain lion sightings at Gen. Thomas F. Riley Wilderness Park prompted warnings to students at Wagon Wheel Elementary School from the principal.

• April 1998: A Villa Park woman found a mountain lion standing on her porch after she heard a bang on her screen door. Animal control officers responded and killed the cat after it charged them.

• December 1997: An aggressive female mountain lion charged a group of women and children at Caspers Wilderness Park. No one was injured and the lion retreated after one of the women threw a child's hiking boot at it. A state game warden later shot and killed the lion.

- Compiled by researchers Michael Rosentreter and Michael Doss
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Lest we forget that in a natural environemt we are NOT the top of the food chain.

Almost any attack can be thwarted by fighting the animal. Hell, picking up and slinging your bike wildly at it would definitely do the trick.

If you run you immediately register in its brain as "Prey. The normal action of cycling may register as fleeing if you are moving away from the lion and you most likely will not even know one is watching you.
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Dealing with any wild carnivore is always a crap shoot.
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Dealing with any wild carnivore is always a crap shoot.
True, but it is well known and documented that prey that fights will almost always get away.
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True, but it is well known and documented that prey that fights will almost always get away.
I absolutely agree if you fight it, you have a better chance of surviving.
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That kinda scary, now im starting to notice that the canyon where I bike has signs all over to watch out for snakes, ticks, dangerous areas in the trail and mountain lions.
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Just saw this story on the news.Awful...One moutain biker friend at work feels a need to pack heat.. Think I shall continue to be a roadie..I will take my chances with the wildlife in an urban setting.
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6 words--Full Face Hemet......Full Body Armor.....



But in all seriousness, its been proven that your best defense against a mountain lion is a strong offense, unline a bear where you should play dead.
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But in all seriousness, its been proven that your best defense against a mountain lion is a strong offense, unline a bear where you should play dead.
The news report said the cyclists was with lots of other cyclists.One even threw rocks at the lions head. Would not relent. What defenses do we have ?
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I ride in mountain lion country too. However, I'm way way way more worried about the Azzholes on four wheel running me down on the way to the trail than a big cat.

It is a sad story though. Hope the gal pulls through Ok.
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Due to the hot housing market, we are encroaching more and more on the mountain lions' territories. There are limited natural game for the lions to prey on so they go for easier/weaker alternatives: livestock, dogs, cats, and HUMANS!

Pound for pound, mountain lions are among the most dangerous wild animals out there. I've seen LOTS of huge lion tracks along a dirt trail in the foothills where I ride. Now I NEVER ride alone on those trails, and definitely DON'T ride offroad during dawn and dusk!!!


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Taken From The Orange County Review

Mountain lion shot dead following fatal attack
A male bicyclist was killed and a woman cyclist was injured today in separate attacks in Whiting Ranch Wilderness Park.


A mountian lion attacked two bicylcists in separate incidents in Whiting Ranch today, killing one.
JEBB HARRIS, THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER


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A mountain lion was shot dead by a sheriff's deputy tonight after two bicyclists were attacked in an Orange County wilderness park – a man was killed and a woman was dragged and injured.

Orange County deputies killed the cat with two shots after locating it 10 feet away from an unidentified body, which the animal had partially covered with dirt.


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We have those bad cats here too-Vancouver island.
One fell through a ladies ground floor apt window near downtown a few years back-she had to lock herself in the bathroom.

They swim fom the mainland to small island to island to here to find mates.

An older fellow I struck up a friendship with told me he had shot 3 while living in the B.C outback with his family. We were drinking so I took it with a pinch of salt (and tequila.)
So a few months later I saw him on a pub patio w\ a young lady-said HI, got an invite-and we started chatting.
The young lady was his daughter, and the conversation (by me) turned to the cat story...
He smiles and says "ya killed 3, fed 2 of 'em of the kids."
His daughter says " ya AND YOU TOLD US IT WAS CHICKEN!"
All I could say was man-you're welcome around my campfire ANYTIME!

YELL, make yourself big as poss, grab a stick and start swinging.
They go for pets and children often. I think one of those cannister airhorns whould be a good thing to carry.
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A couple of my friends were riding in CO one time and one of them got a big lead in a long narrow steep walled canyon. The one in back got to witness a mountain lion stalking him from the top of a cliff for about 200 yards until he finally disappeared. He did have to tell me about this AFTER we rode through the same canyon about a year later. I suppose it's just another hazard, I don't know about you guys but I wasn't planning on living forever anyway...
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My heart goes out to the dead biker and I hope the other woman pulls through.

Remember we are in their territory, it's a risk mtb'ers take. Although I don't want to see anyone else get killed it would be shame if these creatures were hunted to extinction because of our knee-jerk fear.

Also, would bear spray possibly work on a big cat? Assuming of course you could get to it before being killed...
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A dose of lead poisoning from a lightweight .40 or 9mm would do the trick. Easily carried in a small holster attached to the handlebars.
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Mountain Lion Kills Mountain Biker In Southern California

Mountain Lion Kills Mountain Biker In Southern California

JANUARY 09, 2004 -- LAKE FOREST, CA (BRAIN)--A mountain lion attacked two female mountain bikers yesterday in Whiting Ranch Wilderness Park, an environmental reserve just across the street from Oakley's Orange County headquarters. One woman was killed; the other airlifted to a hospital, according to local television news reports.

Diego Lopez came across the cat attacking one of the women, he told KABC-TV.

"There was a woman holding the victim by the legs, and the cat was latched onto the victim's face," Lopez said. "I picked up a rock and threw it at the cat and the rock hit the cat right on the side of the head and the cat took off straight ahead and let go of the woman."

Near the scene of the attack, authorities found the body of an unidentified man, also thought to have been killed by the mountain lion in a separate incident.

The approximately 150-pound cat had not been apprehended late last night.

Humans seldom see mountain lions, and are attacked by them even more infrequently. However, environmental factors like drought or wildfires, such as those that recently struck Southern California, sometimes force the cats to search for food in less remote areas.

Read a summary of the local television news story here.

Since 1970 there has been an average of 14 cougar attacks per year on people in the entire U.S. Read more statistics and general information about mountain lions at Topanga Online and the web site of the California Department of Fish and Game .

And for a story off a mountain biker that escaped an encounter with a mountain lion unscathed, click here.
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A dose of lead poisoning from a lightweight .40 or 9mm would do the trick. Easily carried in a small holster attached to the handlebars.

hehehHAHA

ya had to do it, didn't ya Sam?
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Mountain Biker Critically Injured; Body Found Nearby

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/2752128/detail.html

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Authorities shot and killed a 2-year-old male cat hours later near where the man's body was found, and were "pretty confident" it was the animal that attacked, said Steve Martarano, a spokesman for the California Fish and Game Department.

Following Thursday's attack, the 13th such incident in California since 1890, the 110-pound mountain lion was to be taken to a laboratory where a necropsy will be performed.

Shortly after 4:30 p.m. Thursday in Whiting Ranch Wilderness Park, a mountain lion pounced on a woman who was riding a bicycle with her friend, said Capt. Stephen Miller of the Orange County Fire Authority.

The lion grabbed Ann Hjelle, 30, by her head and began dragging her. Her friend, Debi Nichols, began screaming for help and grabbed the victim's legs in a struggle to free her.
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I recall as we met the bear on the bicycle trail near Meyersdale, PA. Mama mia, I never was so scared in my life. My knees were trembling for the whole day. Ironically I was born and lived in Siberia for 9 years, and never saw a bear there. I had to see it in the cycling distance from Washington D.C. Hmm... So much about stereotypes.

I knew that the wild life is very seldom attacks the man. Still I could not control my fear then. It was on the subconscious level. Probably many centuries ago the wild life was not so scared of the man and was of more realistic danger.

It was 13th case in this National park for 114 years. For comparison in Chicago more that 500 people are killed per year by other humans. In more than 80% of cases the killer and the victim are either related or acquainted.
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Oh no Sam, here we go again!

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a dated article about mountain lion behavior

http://home.inreach.com/kumbach/mtlion.html
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I have encountered a few bears while biking and backpacking, but never a mountain lion. All of the bears that I have seen have taken off pretty quick when I yell at them. One bear did break part of my backpack once though when it was sitting outside my tent. When I opened the door of the tent, it had that perplexed look on its face like dogs do sometimes (when they cock their head). It didn't seem scared until I moved out of the tent and a little toward it, then it took off...

While the chances of ever getting attacked by an animal are probably a lot less mountain biking than in the city (dogs), it's probably good to take some precautions, like carrying pepper spray. If you are a smaller than average person (less intimidating), always go with someone else, not alone, make a little noise going around blind corners, and just have common sense.

While you could get attacked, the chances are so slim it's hardly worth worrying about. Unless of course you are on Kodiak Island or something, then you may want to carry a big firearm...
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this story strikes an extra cord with me because the trail, whiting ranch, is one that i ride often. you always see the warning signs but since attacks are so rare, you build up a false sense of security. the gal is doing better and supposedly in stable condition now. she was very fortunate her riding companion was so determined and that there were others on the trail close by. they are still unsure if the man was killed by other reason and the lion came to scavage or if he was actually killed by the lion.

as rediculous and crazy as it does sound, i do pack a compact 9mm in my camel pak. you just never know when animals or other humans may do something crazy.
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