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Old 07-06-08, 11:12 PM   #51
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I could also say that 9 out of 10 "bike review/info website" posters are ill informed, spew mis-information, and don't know anything outside of the very narrow product window than what they or thier best buddy ride.

Or that 9 out of 10 jet pilots are egotistical maniacs that think they are experts on EVERYTHING because they fly a plane.

Funny thing is that most of the "high end cyclist", club rider, team member customers that I come across come up with the most ridiculous claims/ideas/self fix disasters we come across. Those that have an open mind, and want real information and guideance, are the greatest people to deal with.

I will be the first to admit, there are some bad bike shops, staff members, and experiences. The same can be said about EVERY occupation in existance. Lawyers, plumbers,teachers, carpenters, IT techs, you name it. There are even pilots who suck! But I have enough inteligence to avoid painting large cross sections of people with such a broad brush.
I bet I know more about fixing planes and bikes than both you monkeys and I am convinced that the "specialty shop" syndrome explains most of the behavior.

As far as wheels go, it is possible to true a "tweaked" wheel but the wheel is still effectively ruined.
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Old 07-06-08, 11:34 PM   #52
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I bet I know more about fixing planes and bikes than both you monkeys and I am convinced that the "specialty shop" syndrome explains most of the behavior.

As far as wheels go, it is possible to true a "tweaked" wheel but the wheel is still effectively ruined.
I bet you DO know more about fixing planes than me! More than likely because I have never tried, nor had the need to, fix a plane. In fact,....lemme check....NOPE! Couldn't care less about doing so! SO you win, you know more about planes than me!

How you could, on the other hand, make a statement about knowing more than me when it comes to fixing bikes, I do not know. But I know I am not a monkey, and have a whole bunch more experience than, say, reading the Big Blue Book of Bicycle Repair and working for a "retail assembly" company to point to. So on that, I am not ready to agree with you on....

BTW, I am convinced that the "specialty high end recreational cyclist" syndrome explains most of thier behavior as well.

Don't get involved in this one vette....You don't want any of this. Just remark on the OP's question...OK?
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Old 07-07-08, 10:39 AM   #53
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Could this thread title be edited to "LBS Seriously Tried Pulling a Fast One: A Lengthy Story" ?
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Old 07-07-08, 11:27 AM   #54
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I bet you DO know more about fixing planes than me! More than likely because I have never tried, nor had the need to, fix a plane. In fact,....lemme check....NOPE! Couldn't care less about doing so! SO you win, you know more about planes than me!

How you could, on the other hand, make a statement about knowing more than me when it comes to fixing bikes, I do not know. But I know I am not a monkey, and have a whole bunch more experience than, say, reading the Big Blue Book of Bicycle Repair and working for a "retail assembly" company to point to. So on that, I am not ready to agree with you on....

BTW, I am convinced that the "specialty high end recreational cyclist" syndrome explains most of thier behavior as well.

Don't get involved in this one vette....You don't want any of this. Just remark on the OP's question...OK?

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Old 07-07-08, 11:28 AM   #55
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Wow. Bash women and minorities thread could be another alternative title. Or anyone who doesn't meet your macho standards.

Deano....you are definitely holding your own in this thread. I, a woman, completely understood your post. Of course I, being a newbie myself, found somethings in your post that showed an ill prepared cyclist..even for a newbie. But, we all start at some level. . However, not carrying a small tool set is so small it shouldn't be something that 20 people come into your thread to bash you about.

Also, I feel you on some men in any profession that deals w/ machines trying to rip women off. Come on now...everyone knows this to be true. That is why women usually don't take their cars to the mechanic UNLESS they are well versed in the art of haggling w/ the mechanic and knowing the basic ins and outs of their vehicle. When haggling for cars or repairs...dad always takes the car to the shop. We've have taken the exact same car to the exact same shot within a couple days time and have gotten two separate answers and prices. So from EXPERIENCE I know all of the above to me true.
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You know, it is entirely possible it would be easier to simply get a new wheel. Do you know how much work it takes to transfer a hub and spokes from one rim to another? Hours and hours of work- you'd be looking at four hours of work, and in our shop, that would equate to $240 in labor- much more expensive than a new wheel.

And while truing a tweaked wheel is much easier and less time-intensive, it'll still cost more than a new rim.
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Old 07-07-08, 02:27 PM   #57
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What the guy did to you was wrong, yet fairly common in many mechanical service industries.
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Yep, that sort of thing n e v e r goes on in the auto repair business either. "That noise is from your whatchimahoozit. I'll need to replace it and pull the thingymajiggy too, to get at it."
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Wow. Bash women and minorities thread could be another alternative title. Or anyone who doesn't meet your macho standards.

Also, I feel you on some men in any profession that deals w/ machines trying to rip women off. Come on now...everyone knows this to be true. That is why women usually don't take their cars to the mechanic UNLESS they are well versed in the art of haggling w/ the mechanic and knowing the basic ins and outs of their vehicle. When haggling for cars or repairs...dad always takes the car to the shop. We've have taken the exact same car to the exact same shot within a couple days time and have gotten two separate answers and prices. So from EXPERIENCE I know all of the above to me true.
I would agree 100% When you pay people a commission people try to oversell repair work. I do not think it is a man thing but more a "sales mentality" thing. I have had sales people, men and woman, try to sell me services or protection I did not need.
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I've had very positive and very negative experience with LBS's. I will definitely say that there are two things you should do if you want good service:

1) Take the bike where you bought it, and
2) Bring soda or beer.

I do have my LBS change my tires for me, mainly because they have tools and know what they're doing and so can do in 10 minutes what takes me 1/2 hour. But I also showed up after a particularly PITA minor repair with a cooler full of soft drinks on a 90-degree day. Be cool, and people are cool to you.

I've gotten bad advice even from good people, tho -- and also bad advice from folks who aren't good to work with. Just one of those things, I guess.
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