Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

General Cycling Discussion Have a cycling related question or comment that doesn't fit in one of the other specialty forums? Drop on in and post in here! When possible, please select the forum above that most fits your post!

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 07-05-08, 02:28 PM   #1
gforeman 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
gforeman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Northern Virginia
Bikes: Specialized Roubaix SL4 Expert, Specialized Crux Disc
Posts: 728
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Bike is two weeks old, and I broke a spoke already?

I can't understand why my spoke cut loose this early in the game. Trek 1.5, and I have put over 100 miles on it so far. I broke a spoke in the rear. LBS did not have one in black, so I have all black spokes but one. They promised to get the right one ordered.

I hit no hard bumps or potholes. Normal little transitions where bridges meet the road, but I usually slow down.

Maybe my 235 weight is too much for these wheels?

Anyway, I'm back in business for now. But I'm a little nervous.
__________________
Gary F.


2015 Specialized Roubaix SL4 Expert
2012 Specialized Crux Disc
My bike page: http://www.gwfweb.com/bicycles
Build a bike stand! http://www.gwfweb.com/bicycles/stands.html

Last edited by gforeman; 07-06-08 at 08:51 AM.
gforeman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-08, 02:54 PM   #2
bkaapcke
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Bikes:
Posts: 3,227
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
Weight and wheels can be a problem. I too, weigh in at about 230, and have had some wheel problems. I had some wheels built and went with the "lighter weight" option. Wrong concept. Hit a pothole on a downhill run and the inner layer, under the tube, cracked. I have since had the wheel rebuilt with a stronger (heavier) rim. I'm hoping that it will hold up. bk
bkaapcke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-08, 03:07 PM   #3
HeIncreasesMe
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Oakland, Ca
Bikes: Trek 7.3 FX
Posts: 236
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
What is the spoke count?
HeIncreasesMe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-08, 03:09 PM   #4
cooker
Prefers Cicero
 
cooker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Toronto
Bikes: 1984 Trek 520; 1990s Peugeot (Canadian-made) rigid mountain bike; 2007 Bike Friday NWT; misc others
Posts: 10,671
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 503 Post(s)
The wheel may have been poorly tensioned to begin with or it may simply have been a random event.
cooker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-08, 03:10 PM   #5
HeIncreasesMe
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Oakland, Ca
Bikes: Trek 7.3 FX
Posts: 236
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
If the spoke count is low and I were in your situation... (I recently gained 20 pounds sooo I choose not to get a low spoke count wheel for this exact reason) I would say this..

"I am sorry, but I honestly feel like your shop should help replace my wheel set at some discounted price or for free because you knew I was too fat int he beginnign to buy a bike w/ such a low spoke count. "

Not that you are fat..but I would say this for my case. I'm not fat, but definitely not thin and I would use the word fat to describe myself because it throws people off....and I feel would let them know I am serious about my request.
HeIncreasesMe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-08, 05:29 PM   #6
mark9950
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 439
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I guess I am not alone,looks like those treks break spokes so easily.I could expect maybe at my 250 lb weight they may start breaking like they did after 1000 miles,but looks like all treks are junk when it comes to their wheels.(they must not stress relieve them,made in china)I relaced a hub on my old wal-mart bike wheels for my terk CC (but no matter how much you weigh the LBS owner doesnt care and will sell you the bike),put it on my trek CC and its all fine.i will never by a wheel from trek.

Stress relieve your spokes

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/wheelbuild.html

How much did you pay for the bike?

loosen them 1/32 turn.

Last edited by mark9950; 07-05-08 at 05:39 PM.
mark9950 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-08, 07:21 PM   #7
jaxgtr
Senior Member
 
jaxgtr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Bikes: Trek ALR 6, Trek CrossRip, Trek X-Caliber 8
Posts: 4,356
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
If your bike came with the Bontrager Select, they suck. Find yourself a good wheel builder and get a better set of wheels built and never have issues again. At 235, you should be able to ride most stock wheel, but I would not go below 28 spoke count and would have them re-tensioned around 300 miles and you should be good.
__________________
Brian | 2015 Trek Emonda ALR 6 | 2015 Trek X-Caliber 8 | 2014 Trek CrossRip Comp
Quote:
Originally Posted by AEO View Post
you should learn to embrace change, and mock it's failings every step of the way.
jaxgtr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-08, 07:36 PM   #8
TomM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Bikes: Trek5000
Posts: 951
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by HeIncreasesMe View Post

"I am sorry, but I honestly feel like your shop should help replace my wheel set at some discounted price or for free because you knew I was too fat int he beginnign to buy a bike w/ such a low spoke count. "
One of our LBS's will tell you that low spoke count wheels do not have weight limits and are suitable for all riders. I think this is BS but I am not a bike "expert".
TomM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-08, 08:24 PM   #9
sknhgy 
Dirt Bomb
 
sknhgy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Illinois
Bikes:
Posts: 2,647
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 198 Post(s)
I bought a Trek 820 a couple of years ago and have had many problems with the rear wheel. Broken spokes, two broken axels. I finally upgraded to a new wheel with a freehub. To make a long story short; I feel like I've have way too many problems with that bike. For $275 I should have gotten a bike that would last me for at least several years without any "back-to-the-dealer" problems. I've been back to the dealer 3-4 times with an inoperable bike.
sknhgy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-08, 08:26 PM   #10
Wordbiker
Pwnerer
 
Wordbiker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Pagosa Springs, CO, USA
Bikes: Road, MTB, Cruiser, Chopper, BMX
Posts: 2,907
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by HeIncreasesMe View Post
"I am sorry, but I honestly feel like your shop should help replace my wheel set at some discounted price or for free because you knew I was too fat int he beginnign to buy a bike w/ such a low spoke count. "
Please, describe a "low" spoke count?

Sorry, but no dealer is going to ask a client to step onto a scale before selling them a bike, nor are they going to order a stronger replacement wheelset to accommodate heavier riders without being compensated, either before or after a sale. A Trek bike sells with the wheelset Trek specs on them. If you're having issues, take it up with Trek warranty, don't expect a shop to pay for it out of pocket.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by ahsposo View Post
Ski, bike and wish I was gay.
Wordbiker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-08, 08:52 PM   #11
gforeman 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
gforeman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Northern Virginia
Bikes: Specialized Roubaix SL4 Expert, Specialized Crux Disc
Posts: 728
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
I paid $925 for the bike. Spoke count? Not many! They are Bontrager SSR wheels.

Unfortunatly, I cannot afford new wheels now.



__________________
Gary F.


2015 Specialized Roubaix SL4 Expert
2012 Specialized Crux Disc
My bike page: http://www.gwfweb.com/bicycles
Build a bike stand! http://www.gwfweb.com/bicycles/stands.html
gforeman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-08, 11:09 PM   #12
mark9950
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 439
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Unfortunatly, I cannot afford new wheels now.
You might have to buy the rear wheel with more than the spokes on the original wheel,if you plan to slim down riding it,by the time you wear out the rear wheel you will probably have lost 50+ lbs,light enough so the original wheels spokes to not break.

These type of bikes are not for the overweight or obese,and these are radial spokes(no cross),problems

You really should have bought a bike with 32-36 spokes and you could have bought these wheels later when the originals wore out in about 7000 miles.

You will be buying a new wheel,or you wont be able to ride it,I went through every time I ride spokes broke.It gets tiring.

Quote:
Sorry, but no dealer is going to ask a client to step onto a scale before selling them a bike, nor are they going to order a stronger
I know,because they want to make a sale and their profit,and if problems occur that are not under warrantee,you are stuck with it and will have to either spend money to fix it or fix it yourself and tell everyone you meet how treks suck,like I do.Not good for business though.

Last edited by mark9950; 07-05-08 at 11:12 PM.
mark9950 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-08, 11:19 PM   #13
mark9950
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 439
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
I bought a Trek 820 a couple of years ago and have had many problems with the rear wheel. Broken spokes, two broken axels. I finally upgraded to a new wheel with a freehub. To make a long story short; I feel like I've have way too many problems with that bike. For $275 I should have gotten a bike that would last me for at least several years without any "back-to-the-dealer" problems. I've been back to the dealer 3-4 times with an inoperable bike.
This is something else,I was going to buy this type of bike two day before my original wheel spokes on my trek CC started to break( I waited),glad I didnt.Went to wal-mart instead,no spoke broken over 500 miles,and the rims are aluminum on the wal-mart bike.Oh yes I stressed relieved them.

My trek CC is still ridable with steel wheels from my old roadmaster mountain bike.The rims are green.

Last edited by mark9950; 07-05-08 at 11:24 PM.
mark9950 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-08, 11:27 PM   #14
doomkin
Senior Member
 
doomkin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: illinois
Bikes: surly steamroller - towniefied.
Posts: 549
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by gforeman View Post
I paid $925 for the bike. Spoke count? Not many! They are Bontrager SSR wheels.

Unfortunatly, I cannot afford new wheels now.



ah. boneranger wheels.
doomkin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-08, 11:50 PM   #15
mark9950
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 439
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Where are those wheels made?i bet china where the wal-mart bikes are made.
mark9950 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-08, 12:43 AM   #16
gforeman 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
gforeman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Northern Virginia
Bikes: Specialized Roubaix SL4 Expert, Specialized Crux Disc
Posts: 728
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
So what wheels should I be looking at?
__________________
Gary F.


2015 Specialized Roubaix SL4 Expert
2012 Specialized Crux Disc
My bike page: http://www.gwfweb.com/bicycles
Build a bike stand! http://www.gwfweb.com/bicycles/stands.html
gforeman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-08, 01:39 AM   #17
mark9950
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 439
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
32-36 hole 700c rear wheel try amazon.


there are bike shops on the web where you can probably buy a 36 hole wheel for your bike.post in other sections of this site also about buying a new wheel.but before you do that ride it and see what happens,if it happens again the wheels cant support your weight.

or go to a bike shop that sells bikes second and repairs bikes first.one of those shops where there is an old guy smoking his cigar.Dont buy from a trek dealer.

here is a source


http://www.niagaracycle.com/index.php?cPath=135_200

Dont know your size or if they even have your size or gears on your casette.

Dont worry if you buy the new wheel and have no problems and ride the bike like there is no tommorrow you will have lost 50 lbs and will put the original wheel back on with no problems.and you have an extra wheel if you didnt wear it out.

Last edited by mark9950; 07-06-08 at 01:49 AM.
mark9950 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-08, 07:29 AM   #18
oneredstar
the bike made me do it
 
oneredstar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Paris, of the prairies
Bikes:
Posts: 528
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I am surprised it has not been mentioned yet, but black spokes break easier then silver spokes. Ask and mechanic who has worked in the industry long enough and they will tell you that. In your case I imagine the wheel was poorly tensioned, but you may want to consider getting it relaced with silver spokes.
oneredstar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-08, 07:57 AM   #19
TomM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Bikes: Trek5000
Posts: 951
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
The problem I've had with Bontrager wheels is not broken spokes but with rims cracking at the spoke nipples on the rear wheel. I've been through 3 wheels and each one had the cracks on the drive side spokes. They were covered under warrantee. What really ticked me off was the LBS saying " We have never seen this problem before.". Come to find out, I met other people who had the same problem before me and who dealt with the same LBS.
TomM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-08, 08:49 AM   #20
Pat
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Orlando, FL
Bikes: litespeed, cannondale
Posts: 2,795
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by gforeman View Post
I can't understand why my spoke cut loose this early in the game. Trek 1.5, and I have put over 100 miles on it so far. I broke a spoke in the rear. LBS did not have one in black, so I have all black spokes but one. They promised to get the right one ordered.

I hit no hard bumps or potholes. Normal little transitions where bridges meet the road, but I usually slow down.

Maybe mi 235 weight is too much for these wheels?

Anyway, I'm back in business for now. But I'm a little nervous.
You could be too much for the wheels. Those wheels looked pretty low on spoke count. I ride some old mavic A719 rims with a 36 spoke count and they are darn near bullet proof. But before that, I broke up even "heavy duty" wheels routinely after about 10000 miles and that was with normal and careful riding.
Pat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-08, 09:19 AM   #21
BarracksSi
Bike ≠ Car ≠ Ped.
 
BarracksSi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Washington, DC
Bikes: Some bikes. Hell, they're all the same, ain't they?
Posts: 13,858
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by gforeman View Post
LBS did not have one in black, so I have all black spokes but one.
You should get a silver spoke for the front, too, so they'll match and look like they're done on purpose. It'll be pimpin'.
BarracksSi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-08, 01:25 PM   #22
Retro Grouch 
Senior Member
 
Retro Grouch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: St Peters, Missouri
Bikes: Rans Rockst (Retro rocket) Rans Enduro Sport (Retro racket) Catrike 559, Merin Bear Valley (beater bike).
Posts: 26,742
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 143 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by cooker View Post
The wheel may have been poorly tensioned to begin with.
That's what I think too. Simply replacing a broken spoke on a new wheel is generally a mistake. If you brought that wheel to me I would check every single spoke with a tensiometer, bring them all up to equal tension, then retrue the wheel by tightening and loosening opposing pairs of spokes an equal amount.

Wheels have 4 components: Hub, spokes, rim and build quality. The last is by far the most important. It's also the factor that's most likely to get glossed over.
Retro Grouch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-08, 04:22 PM   #23
jimples
I ride red bikes
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: San Francisco, CA
Bikes: 2007 Trek 1500 (red), 1994 Performance X203 (red)
Posts: 154
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by TomM View Post
The problem I've had with Bontrager wheels is not broken spokes but with rims cracking at the spoke nipples on the rear wheel. I've been through 3 wheels and each one had the cracks on the drive side spokes. They were covered under warrantee. What really ticked me off was the LBS saying " We have never seen this problem before.". Come to find out, I met other people who had the same problem before me and who dealt with the same LBS.
I've had the same problem, but my LBS always says "Yeah, this happens a bunch. Here's a warranty replacement!" and sends me on my merry way.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by patentcad
[Biking] beats smoking crack. But smoking crack is cheaper.
jimples is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-08, 04:29 PM   #24
mark9950
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 439
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
With that low spoke count the tension is higher on each spoke,and at 235 lbs you have more tension on each spoke,he has about 150lbs resting on his rear wheel,thats a lot of weight on that rear wheel.The only way to compensate is to get a steel rim or an alum with more spokes.

Quote:
I've had the same problem, but my LBS always says "Yeah, this happens a bunch. Here's a warranty replacement!" and sends me on my merry way.
HAPPENS A BUNCH?I guess if lance armstrong gets a bike for free he would plug the company.
mark9950 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-08, 06:33 PM   #25
Retro Grouch 
Senior Member
 
Retro Grouch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: St Peters, Missouri
Bikes: Rans Rockst (Retro rocket) Rans Enduro Sport (Retro racket) Catrike 559, Merin Bear Valley (beater bike).
Posts: 26,742
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 143 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by mark9950 View Post
The only way to compensate is to get a steel rim or an alum with more spokes.
Steel rim? Now there's a novel solution.

I'll stand by my post to QC the build quality before replacing the whole wheel or doing anything rash. It might turn out to be necessary but, if it was my bike, I'd check the existing wheel first.
Retro Grouch is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:01 PM.