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    Driving a Bike, Versus Riding or Racing

    I'd like to start by pointing out that there are no bicycle "riders".
    People on bicycles (bicyclists, cyclists, bikers, whatever you want to call them)either drive their bicycle like it's a car, or they race their bicycle, like they are headed for the Tour de France.

    It's important to remember that the racers are practicing a sport which has been around since before the invention of the automobile. The cyclists are still on the same roads, trying to compete against someone who biked ten miles in nineteen minutes, who left a record time, based on the stopwatch back in 1879. Those who race against the clock in such a fasion will look left and right at an intersection, but unless there is a truck coming, they will not stop.

    These cyclists have an interesting legal argument; they've been riding these roads since 1879, and the stop signs and traffic lights did not appear until 1917, at the earliest. The traffic lights were intended for automobiles.

    Let's now discuss "driving" a bicycle. Suppose I want to drive my bicycle into town to get a quart of milk and a loaf of bread. I have no need to set a record time, this "milk run" will not go down in sports history. I will drive my bike to the end of the driveway and stop. I will look both ways, and let the cars go by. When there is a break in traffic, then I pull out. Likewise, I stop at the stop sign, and I stop again for any lights that are red. I can not cover the ten miles in nineteen minutes, like that bicycle racer did in 1879. It will take longer , chalk it up to "progress". I will even check my rear-view mirror and pull over to let truck-traffic go by.

    Make sure you (and your kids) know the difference between racing and driving. Too many amature cyclists are learning by example, doing what the racers do. Stop your bike and yield for traffic, especially trucks. It's better to let the motor vehicle operator go first and live , that for you to go first on your bike and get killed. Don't argue about who has the right-of-way, that's for a Judge to decide after you're dead. Just be courteous. Courtesy is contagious.

    Racers have a legitimate gripe too; there aren't enough velodromes (bicycle race tracks) to practice on to stay in shape. So their racing has to be done on public roads. The paths in the parks are only designed for eighteen miles per hour, and they are crowded with walkers.
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    huh? wrong on so many points

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    Velodromes are for track racers.
    Roadies and roadies that race generally enjoy riding on the roads. Hence the name.

    So many incorrect assumptions in the OP...

    You sit on top of a bike and ride it. You sit on top of a horse and ride it.
    You sit in a car, press the gas pedal, and drive it.

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    And you're totally missing the point of the original post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotbike View Post
    I'd like to start by pointing out that there are no bicycle "riders".
    People on bicycles (bicyclists, cyclists, bikers, whatever you want to call them)either drive their bicycle like it's a car, or they race their bicycle, like they are headed for the Tour de France.
    Incorrect. Since the entire post is based upon a false premise, is there any point in reading further?
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    Quote Originally Posted by deraltekluge View Post
    And you're totally missing the point of the original post.
    Fail

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    Still missing it, I see.

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    Still a bit stuck up apparently?

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    pointless and clueless
    If it looks like the $3000 bikes but costs less than a decent helmet, it probably isn't a wise investment.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DataJunkie View Post
    Fail
    Agreed.
    This whole thread = fail.
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    I have no need to set a record time, this "milk run" - So your time is worthless? Everyone at some point is under time pressure when they ride. Not all the time I agree.
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    Well I certainly felt the need to set "record time" when I woke up without an alarm clock before my engineering mechanics exam and had to ride my bicycle to campus in ten minutes, and so I did. Made it just in time.

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    So how is the ugly bike business going?
    Everyone's a roadie, they just might not know it yet.

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    You have to RIDE a bike. Riding requires more then just sitting there and inputting commands.

    When you drive an automoblie, you simply control what the car does by using the accelerator to make it go, after selecting or while changing gear, a pedal to make it stop, and a steering wheel to make it turn. No matter what, you tell the vehicle what to do.

    You ride a bicycle. You don't just tell a bike what to do, you make it move with your body in both locomotion, steering, and braking to some degree.

    I can shift my rear on the driver's seat of my Honda Odyssey and nothing will happen to the car. I do the same on my Cannondale and I'm on my head on the ground with a broken bike.

    That, and I don't think you get this whole bicycling thing we do. Call cab dude.
    Bikes use brakes to stop.

    If your bike has breaks, don't ride it.

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    Are you new to cycling hotbike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotbike View Post
    I have no need to set a record time, this "milk run" will not go down in sports history.
    I've been known to make like "Big George" when called upon for my shredded wheat.

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    Queen sang it best:

    Bicycle bicycle bicycle
    I want to ride my bicycle bicycle bicycle

    I want to ride my bicycle
    I want to ride my bike
    I want to ride my bicycle
    I want to ride it where I like

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    Although I prefer the term 'rider' to 'driver' when describing those who operate a bicycle, I think the OP makes some very good practical points about riding in traffic and the problem of the lack of training facilities for racing cyclists.
    *We should all show courtesy to other road users and follow the traffic laws.
    *There is no point in having the right of way and getting run over by a truck. This is common sense and applies to whatever vehicle you ride or drive.
    *It is true that the lack of training facilities forces those training for races to use public roads. I think the OP's point is that these cyclists should take care, both for their own safety and to promote a good image of cycling for non-cyclists and for beginner cyclists.

    Personally, when I am riding in areas where I need to share the road or path with other traffic (vehicular or pedestrian) I try to be courteous, ride safely and follow the traffic laws. This applies whether I am training, riding for recreation or riding for transport. I think the latter is what the OP refers to as 'driving'.

    I cannot understand what in the original post aroused such apparent hostility in some replies. Could the people who disagreed with the OP please explain why they feel s/he is so wrong? Apart from one poster who felt it wrong to refer to riding as 'driving' I did not see any really constructive criticism of the OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotbike View Post

    These cyclists have an interesting legal argument; they've been riding these roads since 1879, and the stop signs and traffic lights did not appear until 1917, at the earliest. The traffic lights were intended for automobiles.
    Which means the stop signs were in place before almost every cyclist out there now was born. So, not a very good legal argument. You can't get a grandfather clause unless you were actually around before the change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FergusF View Post
    I cannot understand what in the original post aroused such apparent hostility in some replies. Could the people who disagreed with the OP please explain why they feel s/he is so wrong? Apart from one poster who felt it wrong to refer to riding as 'driving' I did not see any really constructive criticism of the OP.
    Possibly, they took it as a criticism of their own behavior on the roads?

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    Yes, that must be it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FergusF View Post
    I cannot understand what in the original post aroused such apparent hostility in some replies. Could the people who disagreed with the OP please explain why they feel s/he is so wrong? Apart from one poster who felt it wrong to refer to riding as 'driving' I did not see any really constructive criticism of the OP.
    6. Stop, look, and listen, when coming to an intersection. LOOk both ways before crossing the street.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deraltekluge View Post
    And you're totally missing the point of the original post.
    I didn't miss it at all.


    Flamebait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JanMM View Post
    6. Stop, look, and listen, when coming to an intersection. LOOk both ways before crossing the street.
    Ok...maybe I am too new here and I am missing some in-jokes or something. I still don't understand how this part of the OP's post could arouse some of the hostility displayed by earlier posters, stuff like 'this whole thread is a fail' and similar comments. To me, the quoted statement also makes sense.

    Anyway, it looks like this thread has strayed off topic from the original post so I don't think I have any more comments to add right now.

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