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View Poll Results: Would you use free bike lockers if they were available at church?
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Old 07-14-08, 12:31 PM   #1
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If build it, would it be used?

Here's an interesting question and I wanted the widest imput so using general forum.

Some are considering adding a 4bike pod of bike lockers at church for those who stay longer than 1 hour. Others are saying it's a waste of money because bike lockers would never be used.

I'm not asking about advocating the use of the lockers. Let's assume that battle is over and the church agrees to put in a 4bike pod. Naturally the first in the area.

So what do you think? How likely is it that they would be used?
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I try not to drive unless I have to. If I were to attend this church, I would use the lockers.
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A better solution is to build a open face lean to with a bike rack to accomodate
more than 4 bikes. Bikes would be outta the weather and lockable to the rack
with the lean to open to other uses during the week.

My guess is the lean to / bike rack would cost less too.
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I like bike lockers over racks because a bike is completely secured in them -- no need of worrying to lock wheels and seatpost. Not just the bike is protected, but the helmet and all other accessories can be put in the locker.
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So why not poll the parishioners? why guess at all?

If the traditional adage, "Sunday's Best" holds then yer wasting time&money. Unless yer in an un-traditional church where people show up in lycra!
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Are there alternatives to locking up besides the lockers that people could use if they were filled? Where do people lock up their bikes now and how many do you have there?

At one local churce I regularly see two bikes outside. One is a recumbent tandem which obviously wouldn't fit any locker but it proves that even in texas there are people who will ride. I couldn't see riding 20 miles or anything but if it were just over walking distance why not, especially since I'd rather not walk in a ditch or on the narrow 2 lane road.
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I believe you should provide much more details about this situation.

How many bikes are brought to the facility daily, is there a peak number of bikes, and will there be enough for all that do attend on two wheels or will it be first come first use?

Have had similar experience. Our church had a total of 16 dedicated Handicap parking spaces on two lots located by the front and rear entrances. Was not enough, some one counted and we had over 60 cars on the lot a given Sunday morning with handicap plates or hang tags. Not enough marked spaces for our handi-able friends. The trustees asked for thoughts and opinions from the congregation via the newsletter.

the next Sunday of the 16 spaces, only 4 were in use, and I noticed many with plates and hangtags were parking in normal spaces. Ask a friend about this change in parking, her reply, "oh, I feel so good on Sunday mornings, the extra walk doesn't hurt me at all!" Apparently others thought the same way, ideas to leave the spaces for visitors, or those that really need them.

You can imagine, not many able were willing to use those spaces going forward.

If the lockers only benefit a few, then another solution should be sought. As with any donation based organization use of funds should be done for the better of the majority.

I park and lock my bike in the vestibule coat room, in the summer it is not used for coats. Our minister parks his in his office, as does his wife, (privileges of knowing someone). Expect to see more 2 wheel attendees going forward...
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Currently there's a upside down V, probably room for 8 bikes out of 12 openings. Currently 2 staff would use and so the question is more to start with a 4 bike locker or just the minimum 2 bike locker. Wondering if anyone would be attracted if there was more space. Would this be seen as a gesture to alternative forms of transportation and friendly to younger people, or just a wasted use of money and space?

My thought is that if 2 staff are using it, we might have others use in during the year. In the past year about 3 or 4 have
used the racks. It depends on the event. sometimes we'll have 2 for a sunday worship/meeting service.

I'd use it sometimes midweek, but not on Sundays as wife is handicapped.
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My work place has lockers at all the building. They get absolutely zero use. I park my bike inside because I'm the only one around who rides year 'round and I earn it However, most people don't even recognize that there are lockers here. They look like electrical boxes and everybody stays away from them.



Unless you put big gaudy signs on them, people just don't know what they are.

Personally, I find them of dubious value. Given the weather situation here, just providing outside rack parking will probably be as effect and cheaper.

These racks are about the most useful one's I've ever run across. Much better than the serpent or regular old front wheel rack.
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Cost of "Sheffield stands" outside the front door over bike lockers hidden out of sight?

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I don't do church. But I'd use them at other locations if available.... work, grocery store, etc.

But a more problematic question...... You have to lock your bikes up at CHURCH???
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I would use the bike lockers if I attended this church. For me it would mean not having to strip my bike and carry my helmet, GPS, lights, panniers, etc., with me.
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Here's an image of the locker, scroll down to the bottom of the page
http://www.duralocker.com/standard/index.htm
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So what do you think? How likely is it that they would be used?
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I think that you're surveying the wrong people. It doesn't matter what I think because I don't go to your church.
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"So why not poll the parishioners?"

That seems like the obvious solution. Why ask here?
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I don't do church. But I'd use them at other locations if available.... work, grocery store, etc.

But a more problematic question...... You have to lock your bikes up at CHURCH???

Unfortunately yes. Crime strikes every where even in church. A number of churches need to now lock their doors because of theft and even worse armed invasions during services. You have to wonder what goes through a criminal's mind that rips of a church or robs someone at gunpoint while they are in attendance . Even if you do not believe in a higher power, there has to be a small part of you that tells you, your are tempting fate.


I should be the last to criticize because I rarely attend. And I guess going not matter how you are dressed, I thing that bike wear or going to church sweaty is just inappropriate. Too many people attend church far too casually dressed today. If you live close by and can arrive fairly neat then the bike racks would probably work.

The racks would still be a great idea for church group meetings and events.
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Ultimately bike lockers are single shot beasts, once all the space is taken you can't secure more bikes with them.

"Sheffield Stand" type locking areas can support locking many bikes to them, if needed you can fit four bikes to one stand (but it's a bit of a squeeze).
Lockers only benefit the people using them, they take up a lot of space(relatively), and can be an eyesore.
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Bike lockers or not, church is not a proper place for an atheist to be.
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Well thank you all for your comments. Now I kind of understand why there aren't more bike lockers available. I would have expected a huge response and 4/5 to be enthusiastic about this idea.

In this situation, we now have 3 people who have said they would use the lockers, mostly for non-Sunday meetings and events.
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Just curious, do you think the response whould have been different if the location was at a Home Depot, or mega grocery store?
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I'm jewish, but I take the point. Yeah, I'd use lockers if the shul had them (if I could convince my wide to ride with me.)
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Just curious, do you think the response whould have been different if the location was at a Home Depot, or mega grocery store?
Probably not. If you are going to leave the bike at someplace for hours on end like at a Park-n-ride or if you live where they'd be out in the rain for a few hours, they make sense. For short stops (<1.5 hrs), I don't think people would use them.

Part of the problem is training. We have been taught from a pretty young age to stay away from gray to brown boxes sitting around on the ground because they contain bad jujus. We get to the point where we don't even see them anymore. And if we do we would avoid opening one for fear of death. Every locker box I've seen looks like something that you'd get in trouble opening. They are a great idea but they are just invisible.
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It might be a draw to the "pews", I don't know about peers.

Anyone who steals something from a church is on his way to Hell... It would be like running the red light in front of the Police Station.
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Probably not. If you are going to leave the bike at someplace for hours on end like at a Park-n-ride or if you live where they'd be out in the rain for a few hours, they make sense. For short stops (<1.5 hrs), I don't think people would use them.

Part of the problem is training. We have been taught from a pretty young age to stay away from gray to brown boxes sitting around on the ground because they contain bad jujus. We get to the point where we don't even see them anymore. And if we do we would avoid opening one for fear of death. Every locker box I've seen looks like something that you'd get in trouble opening. They are a great idea but they are just invisible.
This is a good thing in some ways, provided the church points out their use. Bike thieves will pass them by.

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It might be a draw to the "pews", I don't know about peers.

Anyone who steals something from a church is on his way to Hell... It would be like running the red light in front of the Police Station.
Here in Austin, its not uncommon for people to rip off from churches. A lot of places who used to have 24 hour chapels now have locked them down, because of thieves and people who think its cool to desecrate altars and carve swastikas in anything they can't steal or smash.

Covered bike parking with an armed security guard watching over the bikes during service and Sunday school hour would probably give the best bang for the buck, but bike lockers are great for peace of mind because as said above, you can wheel the thing in, slam and lock the door, and not have to worry about attachments going missing.
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