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    Club Ride Helmet Requirement

    Does your weekly club ride have a helmet requirement? If not, why not? If so, why?

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    Yes. Why? Because here its the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesdca View Post
    Does your weekly club ride have a helmet requirement? If not, why not? If so, why?
    The local bicycle club rides around here have that arbitrary requirement. Helps assure that only the right people show up. One of the reasons I have no interest in joining them. A helmet requirement for rides would be anathema to any of the local motorcycle riders.

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    Yes, because insurance rules dictate we do. And we mountain bike with lots of beginners. 'Nuff said.

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    They probably do, which is why I normally don't ride with clubs unless it is for a specific training purpose.
    Of course, as bad as a lot of these clubs ride, I can see why they need to require helmets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesdca View Post
    Does your weekly club ride have a helmet requirement? If not, why not? If so, why?

    I am not trying to tell others what to do or not to do in their own lives. I am aware of insurance, local laws in my own community, and other health and welfare issues. But I prefer the life of the solitary cyclist since I am tired of people dictating to me what rules I should follow to benefit them! I get enough of that at work.

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    Great--- another helmet thread.

    My club required helmets because it was a racing club, and we had to wear them racing. It only makes sense. It isn't entirely an "arbitrary" requirement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edbikebabe View Post
    Yes, because insurance rules dictate we do. And we mountain bike with lots of beginners. 'Nuff said.
    I'm curious. What insurance rules, and what exactly do they dictate when there is no law requiring such equipment? Who is covered by this insurance? Do they (insurance companies and/or club rule makers) also dictate that all bikes on every ride be equipped with all the safety devices that are actually required by local or state law such as bells, lights, and reflectors? Do they conduct a safety inspection for every bike before allowing members to participate? Maybe the insurance companies can be blamed for that too.

    Do the club officials hector the club members to follow the letter of the law at all times on their rides? And prohibit or toss out any rider who fails to comply? I'd be surprised.

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    We reqire them. Simple thats it no arguement. No Lid you don't roll out of the parking lot with us.
    If it looks like the $3000 bikes but costs less than a decent helmet, it probably isn't a wise investment.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Milice View Post
    We reqire them. Simple thats it no arguement. No Lid you don't roll out of the parking lot with us.
    See question above. Does your club also inspect bikes for legally required safety equipment and forbid participation in any on the road ride for those failing to have reflectors and bells/horns too?

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    Yes. It the law
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    and what about the liability notices and stickers that come with the helmets that absolves the manafacturer of any injuries that occur while the cyclist is wearing their product? Don't those negate the claimed protective qualities? If Maytag sells me a washer, and it waives any claim that it can wash clothes, isn't it wrong to require a Maytag washer to wash your clothes?
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    First and formost we are a race club. We are sactioned through USA Cycling. Without digging out there rule book I think it is in there bylaws. It's part of the insurance coverage if I'm not mistaken.
    Reflectors are no required under the law here, nor is a bell or whistle

    If youre showing up fpr a winter night ride you bettter have good lighting and a good blinkie or once again dont plan on rolling out.

    It is your choice if you dont want to wear a helmet, BUT when you play in someone elses house you play by there rules.

    Around here allmost all organized rides require helmet use. If youre going to race helmet required also.
    If it looks like the $3000 bikes but costs less than a decent helmet, it probably isn't a wise investment.


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    Quote Originally Posted by closetbiker View Post
    and what about the liability notices and stickers that come with the helmets that absolves the manafacturer of any injuries that occur while the cyclist is wearing their product? Don't those negate the claimed protective qualities? If Maytag sells me a washer, and it waives any claim that it can wash clothes, isn't it wrong to require a Maytag washer to wash your clothes?
    First of all, waiver of liability clauses can be attacked and are not ironclad. Without making this a law lecture, express warranties can often be waived but certain implied warranties cannot be waived. Things like merchantability (fit for sale) and fitness for purpose generally will apply. Government safety standards require that helmets protect at certain crash speeds and impacts. If the helmet should have protected you but didn't, any waivers of liability are void. Also, if you are injured because the helmet didn't protect you because it was improperly made, the company does not escape liability. Obviously, if you are injured because you fell and a truck ran over your head crushing the helmet, you can't expect the company to be held liable.

    Your Maytag analogy is so ridiculous I won't even comment.

    To those of you who have said that you won't do group rides because you won't ride with people who tell you what to do, face it...the group probably doesn't want to ride with you either.

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    I agree the Maytag analogy was silly, but since the language on the helmet and in the packaging clearly waives certain liability, it looks like any head injury is an injury that was warned against.

    The claims of the helmet manufacturers are much more modest than those of helmet campaigners. The published standards for helmets involve impacts equivalent to a very low speed crash or a fall from a stationary riding position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by closetbiker View Post
    I agree the Maytag analogy was silly, but since the language on the helmet and in the packaging clearly waives certain liability, it looks like any head injury is an injury that was warned against.

    The claims of the helmet manufacturers are much more modest than those of helmet campaigners. The published standards for helmets involve impacts equivalent to a very low speed crash or a fall from a stationary riding position.

    I think the analogy holds water.... I am one of those old school hold outs at the ripe age of 35. When I first rode my banana seat bike you could not find a recreational biker with a helmet. Riding clubs? You are STILL recreational sorry. I have taken some nasty spills on the street and have scraped elbows knees, had hands with gravel stuck inside etc, but never came close to striking the portion of my head a bicycle helmet covers. Local recreational rides are requiring helmets, so I really have no choice but to go find a helmet so I can participate.

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    I read a court judgement regarding the failure of a helmet to prevent a head injury to a rider who collided with a car at about 9 - 12 mph and died.

    the court stated,

    "Satisfaction of minimum standards that are not true performance standards is not sufficient for making a product safe enough for use on the streets."
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    Quote Originally Posted by joe_5700 View Post
    Local recreational rides are requiring helmets, so I really have no choice but to go find a helmet so I can participate.
    You do have a choice, you can choose to NOT get involved with local recreational rides whose rules you disagree with. Just ride by yourself and wear (or not wear) whatever you like. They don't owe you an explanation or a even a reason as to why they have the rules that they have, same as how I don't owe any cager a reason why I am on the road or why I'm wearing lycra. I'm allowed to be there and I'm there, if they don't like it because I might be out for 'recreation' and they think my lycra looks gay then tough *****.
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    My club requires a helmet as it is law here. Having seen a few cracked helmets that prevented cranium damage I would have to say I am all for helmets. Hey, if you don't want to wear a helmet as per club rules you don't have to ride with us. That is pretty simple.
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    Yes... Our club provides us with a insurance policy for both our bike and ride related injuries. That is not reason , however. The club required helmets before the policies were offered.
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    Insurance issue. No helmet, no ride. If you don't like it, ride by yourself.
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    It's not law here but pretty much every club requires it for insurance purposes. Which is why I don't do many of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milice View Post
    We reqire them. Simple thats it no arguement. No Lid you don't roll out of the parking lot with us.
    ...or through the stop signs and stop lights to the place where they teach spelling & grammar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boudicca View Post
    Insurance issue. No helmet, no ride. If you don't like it, ride by yourself.
    considering club riders make up something like, less than 1% of all cyclists, isn't it like, kinda the opposite?
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    We have to sign a Waiver before every ride. And yes, we have to wear a helmet.
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