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Old 02-11-04, 04:10 PM   #26
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This is what you do....download Kazaa, but at 13...you probally already use the program. From there click on search and then select video. Type the letters CFF into the search field and double click any one of the finds. Call your mom and dad in to watch any of the videos with you....I bet you can read the Dirt Rag for ever! Moral....they must not be aware of the net?!?
Alright, now I'm curious what CFF stands for (but I certainly don't want to go through that whole exercise to find out).
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your parents will eventually see you're mature enough to trust you and back off
What does trust have to do with it? Are you stating that they don't trust him to look @ a cycling magazine cover that features a bare set of legs? What's not to trust? Are they scared that he'll pleasure himself to the cover? I just don't get it. I simply don't see any issue here @ all. Perhaps in another 10 years or so he'll be allowed to go to the beach, and then when he hits 30, he can date.

I'm all for a parent's right to parent in their own way; however this type of sheltering cannot be good for the parent or the child. It's sad really.
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Alright, now I'm curious what CFF stands for (but I certainly don't want to go through that whole exercise to find out).
http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-quer...=cff&Find=Find
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What does trust have to do with it? Are you stating that they don't trust him to look @ a cycling magazine cover that features a bare set of legs? What's not to trust? Are they scared that he'll pleasure himself to the cover? I just don't get it. I simply don't see any issue here @ all. Perhaps in another 10 years or so he'll be allowed to go to the beach, and then when he hits 30, he can date.

I'm all for a parent's right to parent in their own way; however this type of sheltering cannot be good for the parent or the child. It's sad really.
bac- do you have kids? If not, you're speaking hypothetically; when you're actually there, what you THINK you'd do and what you actually do may be farther apart than you realize.

If you do have kids - more power to you for raising such independent kids that you no longer supervise at all what they read, watch, or do when they're 13 (but don't be surprised if their judgement sometimes lapses and creates problems you might have helped prevent if you were less hands-off).
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What exactly is the connection with dirtbikes? Other than cheap thrills for the kids with subscriptions, that is.
Hey what's wrong with cheap thrills? Face it sex sells. Check out the Marzocchi Bomber Girls - what's the connection to Marzocchi suspension? Well lets just say I bought a Marzocchi fork... In fact that leads me to wonder why Fox doesn't advertise with scantily clad women, given the company name. I'd buy a calendar of Fox's Foxes
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bac- do you have kids? If not, you're speaking hypothetically; when you're actually there, what you THINK you'd do and what you actually do may be farther apart than you realize.

If you do have kids - more power to you for raising such independent kids that you no longer supervise at all what they read, watch, or do when they're 13 (but don't be surprised if their judgement sometimes lapses and creates problems you might have helped prevent if you were less hands-off).
I do respect your opinion, and I really do respect the parents right to parent as they see fit, but I still don't get it. I do not have any children, so perhaps I'm not in a good position to comment. I just don't understand WHY any parent would forbid his 13 year old to look @ that picture.
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Kazaa..... Type the letters CFF into the search field

Hahah thanks!
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Old 02-11-04, 06:32 PM   #33
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Gwhunt - I've never read dirt-rag, but I'm sure there's far more good stuff in there than bad. I'd suggest you offer to let your parents preview it before you read it. That will give them a chance to discuss why they disagree with anything in the magazine, or to simply tear out any pages they really don't like, which will probably be less than one per issue. It won't take long before they stop worrying about the magazine. Your parents might debate whether or not you're mature to be exposed to risque images, but you're definitely mature enough to discuss issues with your parents and reach a compromise.

For everyone else - Come on guys, remember being in the teens? Heck, what about now? I doubt are you going to tell me that showing that much skin doesn't inspire any thoughts about sex. Most of you have already suggested so.

Ggwhunt's parents obviously have a particular view about the place of sex in this world, and are trying to lead him to the same type of view. Without being really philosophical, the practice of displaying and viewing images that arouse thoughts of sex conflicts with the view of sex as being being properly shared exclusively and privately by a couple. I know that's not really the popular view of sex lately, but that's another argument. The 2 main point are, it doesn't aid him in leading a chaste life and the point Allen H already made about it being his parents' decision.
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Your folks are the boss of you until you're old enough to be on your own.

That being said, they sound awfully prudish. There's nothing wrong with the human body. Even less wrong with that particular body.

You sound like a reasonable kid, and I'm sure you could find much more skin on TV alone. The folks might not have a particularly enlightended view about the body and sex, their actions show that they may have more problems on this subject than you ever will. Try to cut them some slack and remember you won't have long until you can make these decisions for yourself.

Maybe you could talk your local library into subscribing.

FWIW, I am a parent, of a nine year old girl and six year old boy. We're not particularly hung up on nekkid bodies, they've seen nudity (real people, museums, etc), though we're not nudists. Something like this mag cover might be a lesson for them, on the nature of sex and advertising. How to recognize it and to try seeing past it.
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Old 02-11-04, 07:17 PM   #35
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For everyone else - Come on guys, remember being in the teens? Heck, what about now? I doubt are you going to tell me that showing that much skin doesn't inspire any thoughts about sex. Most of you have already suggested so.
Sure, I remember being a teen. Everything inspired thoughts about sex.

Some things never change.
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Old 02-11-04, 08:09 PM   #36
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I have 4 children, 12-20, Our family was never "hung up on sex". Heck try growing up on a farm and not knowing about sex!

I think that you should know that your parents are just doing what they think is the right thing. Most of us parents do this, or we wouldn't be very good parents, and do it out of love. Hang in there, love'em back, and ride. You'll be 40 before you know it!
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Old 02-11-04, 08:25 PM   #37
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That could be male or female shaved.
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Old 02-11-04, 09:43 PM   #38
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Sorry kiddo but it sounds like your parents are some very narrow minded folks. I just pray they don't vote.
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Old 02-11-04, 10:14 PM   #39
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That could be male or female shaved.


I guess we'll all have to concede that possibility...
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That could be male or female shaved.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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Old 02-12-04, 07:23 AM   #41
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"Sure, the subject just happens to be Christina Begy's legs wrapped around a hand crafted Spot singlespeed frame."


What frame, I don't see no frame in that photo???

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It is possible that the young man's parents responded out of a narrow religious conservatism desire to "protect" him from being corrupted by sexuality.

However, it also may be possible that they responded out of a disgust for the tendency of our culture to only value women for their bodies as sexual objects. It is a sad state of affairs that women receive equal or greater pay than men only in the job categories of modelling and pornography. This does beg the question of why the accomplishments of this successful bicycle competator are framed by a cover focusing on her legs portrayed sexually straddling the bike?
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Again,you know for a fact thats a women?
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I won't let my kids read the rag.

Not because of seeing nekkid legs, I'm afraid they will stop eating meat and become pacifists.

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That's nice. If you want something that would drive your parents just as nuts, try www.nikigudex.com

Niki rides and looks veeeerrrrrrry good (ex)
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Let's not forget the old Marla Streb pictures from Outside Magazine. Or the Corinne Dorland ad in that dutch magazine. Those seemed much more risque... not that I'm personally complaining.
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Sure, I remember being a teen. Everything inspired thoughts about sex.

Some things never change.
Well something is , first it was Ashcroft´s statues (a marble breast ? ) , then JJ´s boob , now ........... What is happening in America these days ? a very confused european .
( ps we see more tit and bum in an advert for shower gel than you guys would get in a year´s terrestrial tv , weird )
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Lucky. I wish our gov't were as liberal when it comes to sex as euro's. It drives me nuts how our gov't trys to control our viewing.
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Well something is , first it was Ashcroft´s statues (a marble breast ? ) , then JJ´s boob , now ........... What is happening in America these days ? a very confused european .
( ps we see more tit and bum in an advert for shower gel than you guys would get in a year´s terrestrial tv , weird )
Right, but this sort of thing has certainly created huge problems in terms of prostitution, drugs, war, corruption, teen pregnancy, etc .....




....... oh wait a second, I’m thinking of the United States.
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Well something is , first it was Ashcroft´s statues (a marble breast ? ) , then JJ´s boob , now ........... What is happening in America these days ? a very confused european .
( ps we see more tit and bum in an advert for shower gel than you guys would get in a year´s terrestrial tv , weird )
It's not the nudity so much as a man forceably ripping off a woman's clothes (for me anyway). That would cause problems in Europe also I would guess.
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