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Old 02-12-04, 08:35 AM   #26
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"Nicoletti rammed Urick off his bike..." Driver should have been arrested for assault...or even assault with a deadly weapon. His actions are not justified, either. Can't chase someone down and then claim self-defense. If the system works (hah), they can clear up their differences in the clink.
My guess is that if he goes to prison, "ramming from behind" will take on a whole new meaning.
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Old 02-12-04, 10:00 AM   #27
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Steve, I agree with you, if the trucker was using his vehicle as a weapon to harm the cyclist, then said cyclist has the riqht to protect him self with what ever means availiable. The only part of the story that doesn't make since is the shots being fired point blank. Sounds like the driver pulled up next to the cyclist, that being the case the shoot doesn't sound justified. I have had a few brush backs while cycling as has everyone, the rage builds so fast, I am glad I didn't have a gun!
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Old 02-12-04, 10:31 AM   #28
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as i read it, the driver was flipped off by the biker initially. it wasn't till he turned the truck around that he was shot. and the driver didn't ram the biker till he was shot.
the biker said that he instigated this entire incident because the driver yelled at him to get off the road.

sticks and stones people. sticks and stones.

the biker is the instigator of physical harm here. no one here can defend the biker. truly. if i threatened physical harm and followed through enough to pull a trigger...hell, if i was packing heat (you only draw a weapon for one reason...to use it)

this was a premeditated incident. if he was riding all the time, leaving home saying...ok...i've got my spare, my spoke wrench, my pump, water....oh yeah...my gun. almost forgot my gun.

sorry. this one is on the biker. no defense here. the driver turned around then must have slowed enough to stop or almost stop so the biker could reach into the truck and shoot. the driver didn't ram him (his first contact with the biker) till AFTER he was shot.

am i missing something here?
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Old 02-12-04, 10:57 AM   #29
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as i read it, the driver was flipped off by the biker initially. it wasn't till he turned the truck around that he was shot. and the driver didn't ram the biker till he was shot.
the biker said that he instigated this entire incident because the driver yelled at him to get off the road.

sticks and stones people. sticks and stones.

the biker is the instigator of physical harm here. no one here can defend the biker. truly. if i threatened physical harm and followed through enough to pull a trigger...hell, if i was packing heat (you only draw a weapon for one reason...to use it)

this was a premeditated incident. if he was riding all the time, leaving home saying...ok...i've got my spare, my spoke wrench, my pump, water....oh yeah...my gun. almost forgot my gun.

sorry. this one is on the biker. no defense here. the driver turned around then must have slowed enough to stop or almost stop so the biker could reach into the truck and shoot. the driver didn't ram him (his first contact with the biker) till AFTER he was shot.

am i missing something here?
I am in now way defending the actions of the cyclist. However, unless the driver reasonably believed his life was in danger when he rammed the cyclist with his truck, then he should be charged with some degree of assault.
I don't believe the driver's life was in danger at the time of the ramming, since he is quoted as saying he chased him down. In my experience, if your life is in danger you usually are not the chaser, but the chasee.
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Old 02-12-04, 12:13 PM   #30
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I shot the ole one finger salute to a pickup that right hooked me while I was giving the signal to move left!
I think most right hooks happen because drivers are impatient AND don't realize just how fast bicycles are actually moving.
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Old 02-12-04, 12:33 PM   #31
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Quit packing the bird, and maybe you won't need the gun.
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Old 02-12-04, 01:05 PM   #32
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It is easy to say "Quit packing the bird", but sometimes it just happens.


A shout, a gesture, then the driver turned the truck around???? For a nice friendly chat I suppose?? You have to lay a little blame on the driver. Why did he feel compelled to turn around?
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Old 02-12-04, 07:00 PM   #33
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Just my 2 cents

Unless the driver had a weapon other then the truck the bicyclist is at fault. The truck was next to him and stopped when he shot. I feel the driver had every right to run him down after being shot. Apparently he did not hit him very had because the Pittsburgh paper said the bike rider had no reported injuries. The law may see it differently though. One other point that has not be mentioned is that the cyclist probably did not have a concealed carry permit because he is also being charged with weapons offenses.

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Old 02-12-04, 07:16 PM   #34
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My thoughts?
Some Folks are alive just because its illegal to kill them. obviously these 2 fit that description.



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Obviously from the story, with many facts perhaps missing, it appears neither one should be carrying and/or driving.
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Old 02-12-04, 09:37 PM   #35
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Personally if I'm packing with CC and I flip some guy off cause he just blew by within 2" of me, that's my business to flip him off. If this guy turns around and starts heading directly at me, I'll swerve out of the way. If then he turns around and starts charging at me again from behind, I'd feel compelled to swerve away and then disable his truck. If that doesn't work, I'm aiming for the head, the tire marks can tell my story.

In any event, if a situation does seem that desperate, I'd rather be warm and in jail than cold and 6ft under.
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Old 02-12-04, 09:43 PM   #36
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It is easy to say "Quit packing the bird", but sometimes it just happens.


A shout, a gesture, then the driver turned the truck around???? For a nice friendly chat I suppose?? You have to lay a little blame on the driver. Why did he feel compelled to turn around?

Laying the blame is one thing, however, taking appropriate action to redress the situation is another. This is my issue with flipping the bird, it's basically a futile overly-emotional reaction that simply is not going to solve the problem. What we need is cold, calculated action. The way I see it, there are two options. Either let it go and wait for Darwinism to catch up with the driver, or write down a number and pay a visit to the police station on the way home. You can bet that a "discussion" with a police officer is more likely to change the behaviour we're trying to eradicate that seeing the middle finger of a cyclist.
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Old 02-12-04, 09:50 PM   #37
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Unfortunately I'd have to give up the sweet sweet feeling of flipping the bird and agree with ChrisL, might as well have my tax $$ put to good use and leave a longer lasting impression on the driver...

"Officer officer, he almost ran me off the road AND he gave ME the bird "
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Old 02-12-04, 09:54 PM   #38
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Unfortunately I'd have to give up the sweet sweet feeling of flipping the bird and agree with ChrisL, might as well have my tax $$ put to good use and leave a longer lasting impression on the driver...
I can think of an even sweeter feeling. Try this: When you get abused by a driver, watch them impassively. Chances are they are looking in the mirror waiting for you to react. If you're riding fast enough to keep watching them (but don't change your pace while you do this, or it becomes obvious), watch their face bend and screw into all kinds of funny expressions as they realise they aren't getting the reaction they were trying to.

It upsets them far more than flipping the bird ever could, and you get a good laugh out of it too!
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Haha true. I see some guy roar pass me doing 50 on a city street only to be stopped by a light 2 seconds later. Sometimes I see them eye'ing me in their rear view mirror. If I'm feeling particularly playful I'd sneak pass the light, get some momentum and pedal backwards as I'm coasting. Then they'll roar pass me again, start honking, and I'll see them at the next light... In manhattan, you can keep this up for literally 100 blocks if you have enough patience not to just blow by him in traffic. Next time I'll look over, tap on my watch and be like, "come on, hurry up and get with it!"
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I feel the driver had every right to run him down after being shot.
I realize that Minnesota, being so close to the badlands and all, may still be ruled by frontier justice (or hockey justice for that matter). But in most jurisdictions, unless you are acting in self-defense, the right to ram somebody with your vehicle does not exist.
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I bet this thread is going to turn into a real hottie!

Closly tied to this thread (see link below) and couldn't have happened at a better time. But I'm stayin' out of it as THIS thread says it all!

So do you keep your big gun in your shorts?

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Steve, I agree with you, if the trucker was using his vehicle as a weapon to harm the cyclist, then said cyclist has the riqht to protect him self with what ever means availiable. The only part of the story that doesn't make since is the shots being fired point blank. Sounds like the driver pulled up next to the cyclist, that being the case the shoot doesn't sound justified. I have had a few brush backs while cycling as has everyone, the rage builds so fast, I am glad I didn't have a gun!

Bingo! Been there.

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Definitely not justified, but both of those guys should be under arrest.
Agreed! What would have happened had the cyclist not pulled out the GUN? Additionally, the pickup driver used his truck as a weapon to stop the fleeing cyclist. The way I see it, both these guys belong in jail.
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I realize that Minnesota, being so close to the badlands and all, may still be ruled by frontier justice (or hockey justice for that matter). But in most jurisdictions, unless you are acting in self-defense, the right to ram somebody with your vehicle does not exist.
He only hit him hard enough to stop him. Not even hard enough to injure him. That sounds like reasonable force to stop someone who just shot him. No different then cops hitting another car in a high speed chase to stop it. No intent to kill just to stop the person and then let the courts take care of it. If this sounds too harsh to you and everyone else out there then it explains why crime is so high in D.C.
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