This was just sent to me over the 'Fixed Gear Mailing List'.
This was just sent to me over the 'Fixed Gear Mailing List'.
sounds like the truck driver deserved it.
...dumb to be carrying a weapon in the first place and a terrible shot at that at almost point blank range...
Justified in my opinion.
Spur of the moment reply. I shouldnt have said Justified just yet. None of us know the entire story.
Last edited by Stevet04II; 02-11-04 at 06:54 PM.
How is it justified?! The point at which shots were fired, there was no real physical threat, at least not described in the article. The driver apparently told the cyclist to get off the road, wherein the cyclist flipped him off, whereupon the driver turned around - but did what? The cyclist should have just pedaled away and/or evaded the driver after he turned around- side streets, woods, alley, etc. Or, confronted verbally in an argument (I have the right to use this road, etc) Instead, the cyclist produced a d**m firearm. Obviously the driver stopped the vehicle - because the cyclist reached in and fired. After the shot was fired - the driver gave chase and rammed or attempted to ram the cyclist. From parsing the article - the shooting was not justified.
Definitely not justified, but both of those guys should be under arrest.
Yup, that's why I do not carry a firearm. There is no doubt that I would shoot someone who tried to clip me. I'm not going down that way!Originally Posted by The Fixer
This gives all law biding citizens, cyclist, and gun advocates a black eye.
From what little info there is, the shooter should go to jail.
(I do understand the emotional "he deserved it" comments, though).
it sounds like there is something missing from that story. why would the cyclist shoot the guy if he didn't feel his life was in danger? and why the f*** was he packing heat in the first place?
I agree with everything except I don't understand the "he deserved it comment"Originally Posted by ehenz
The only two that know the whole store are the two people involved. I mean, really, do you think the truck driver turned around just to say hello? Do you really think he's going to admit that he tried to run someone down? No. But did he? I'll bet so since he ended up getting shot for it. But neither should have acted the way they did. Unfortunately, only one of them will pay for their transgression.
There have been plenty of times I've been sufficiently threatened on a bike that I'd like to have gunned down the driver. . . and that's why I shouldn't pack heat.
"Know your limits," is sage advice.
Now just by leaving the weapon at home he could sure shed some unneeded pounds. How much you want to bet he spends tons of money to take fractions of grams off of the overall weight of the bike. Carrying a weapon will diffidently hurt his performance against the clock on any climb. Of course if opponents challenge him my guess is he will come out on top. But in all seriousness he could shed a little weight by only putting one bullet in the gun.
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I used to carry a knife around and have ditched it for anger reasons. I wouldn't like to be in a situation like this guy where I get mad enough to actually hurt someone.
That is because you are too nice of a guy, which is meant a compliment. An angry frustrated cyclist who has been run off the road many times may respond with that hasty comment, but not mean it literally (I hope). At least that was my interpretation of the remark.Originally Posted by ngateguy
True not justified by the story. But who knows what the driver had in mind. He had to do something to scare the cyclist. I have been chased for giving the bird. People have actually made threats to me and followed me home. We dont know the whole story because the news media doesnt tell the whole story. "Just Cyclist shoots driver." Whay did the driver stop or turn around if he or she wasnt planning to do harm or confront the cyclist?
I pack everywhere I go.
Last edited by Stevet04II; 02-11-04 at 06:49 PM.
AND,what did the driver do to get the bird that "initiated" the whole incident? While I have flipped off quite a few people, I have never done it without good reason, certainly not just because someone passed me. (Except in a groupride, during a sprint, so it probably happens a lot. )
Don't forget, just because someone has a 2 ton truck pointed at you, you shouldn't fight back unless you are actually ran down first!
Last time I checked, giving someone the high one, isn't reason to run them down, beat them, or threaten them. I also don't think we have the full story here, and it doesn't seem justified from the short article.
I bet this thread is going to turn into a real hottie!
It's just about impossible to glean the full story from such a brief article. That said, giving someone "the bird" isn't really justification for running them off the road. However, nor is running someone off the road justification for a shooting. In anycase, I'd like to know what (if anything) happened before the original "giving the bird" incident. Personally I find "giving the bird" to be a pretty stupid and futile action at the best of times, but I'd like to know what led to it.Originally Posted by uciflylow
Sounds to me like we have two morons here. I say put them both away indefinitely.
I'm usually cool and level headed, but I shot the ole one finger salute to a pickup that right hooked me while I was giving the signal to move left!
This is the first time since I have started riding that I have made the gesture. I beleive in playing down a situation, but this got the better of me. The bad thing is this moron never gave any kind of signal for the right turn, I was watching in my mirror!
People are just soooo disrespectful of each other. That day I was guilty of elevating a situation.
The cyclist is the worst kind of dangerous fool: one attempting to save face. Any credibility he had he threw away once he produced the firearm. Here's hoping the law sees fit to teach him the lesson of consequence.
No...its not justified...that cyclist better not have been sane...cause that something you just dont do....
yeah can't tell much from the article... but it is unlikely that the cyclist was is life-threatening danger so the shooting is probably unjustified... although i suppose it is possible that the pickup truck driver had the cyclist in front of the grill and revved the engine and threatened to run him over... although i still think you could try and ride off or get in a fist-fight rather than shooting someone, but then i'm old-school (only wimps use weapons) unfortunately lots of other wimps have weapons and don't care.
why drive when you can ride?
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Or he the driver could have a had tire tool or knife or a gun of his very own. Duh...... Germans..............
As some of you noted there's really not enough detail to assess what actually took place. It sounds to me like two morons both armed with deadly weapons, were intent on doing serious bodily harm to one another. The courts will decide if any of it was justified.
"Nicoletti rammed Urick off his bike..." Driver should have been arrested for assault...or even assault with a deadly weapon. His actions are not justified, either. Can't chase someone down and then claim self-defense. If the system works (hah), they can clear up their differences in the clink.