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Old 09-15-08, 10:29 PM   #1
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Ken Kifer's Bike Pages.

Does anyone know what happened to Ken Kifer's bike pages? Is there a mirror of his site somewhere?
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Old 09-16-08, 04:54 AM   #2
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IIRC Sheldon Brown was hosting the Ken Kifer site. Or perhaps Riin Gill who was a friend of Ken

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I hope that the "Ken Kifer" site was not lost forever. As with the Sheldon Brown site, it was one of the GREAT cycling resources. I hope/wish someone will put the Sheldon Brown site onto CD-ROMS that could be sold at a reasonable price, with the profits going to his family. Brown himself, like Ken Kifer, was one of the true giants of the cycling community.
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I was able to find a working link on the Wayback Machine. (http://www.archive.org/index.php)

Mind you this link is an archive from 2003, but most of the info is there.

http://web.archive.org/web/200308011...ages/index.htm

Definately, Mr. Kifer and Mr. Brown were the greats and shared their knowledge throughout. RIP comrades.
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Say it ain't so

According to google cache of kenkifer.com, bikeforums.net was hosting his site?! I hope this is still true, and if so, I hope it continues to be so. The wayback machine link above seems to be OK AFAICT.

Ken's bike pages are what pushed me over the edge of the precipiece of "bike rider" into full-on cyclist. As many others were, I was deeply saddened by his tragic death. I really hope a complete mirror of his website can be found and continue to inform and inspire others as he no doubt informed and inspired us. Incidentaly, it's been just over 5 years since he died. Perhaps if his domain has gone stagnant, we can pitch in to revive the old site, including all of his writings?

EDIT: I just found this: http://happyfuzzyyarn.typepad.com/ha...-going-on.html
Isn't Joe Gardner, the BF admin on a tour right now? Can any of the trusted mods reach him and perhaps get some info on this?

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I barely understand how to send e-mail. When I try to "save" a page from a website, such as the Ken Kifer site, Windows XP offers me a list of options on how to "save" the page to my hard drive.

Computer experts: if I want to download the Ken Kifer website and save it on my hard drive so that it can be put on a CD-ROM, which "save" option will work the best?

The "Sheldon Brown" website also has valuable information. It would be great if someone could get permission to sell "Sheldon Brown" CD-ROM's with the profits going to his family. Surely, "Bike Forums" must have members who know how to do that sort of computer stuff.
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I barely understand how to send e-mail. When I try to "save" a page from a website, such as the Ken Kifer site, Windows XP offers me a list of options on how to "save" the page to my hard drive.

Computer experts: if I want to download the Ken Kifer website and save it on my hard drive so that it can be put on a CD-ROM, which "save" option will work the best?

The "Sheldon Brown" website also has valuable information. It would be great if someone could get permission to sell "Sheldon Brown" CD-ROM's with the profits going to his family. Surely, "Bike Forums" must have members who know how to do that sort of computer stuff.
You need software like "website extractor", I had a free copy come with some other software I bought. In fact I just used it last week to save Sheldon's site to my hard drive for off-line viewing.
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You need software like "website extractor", I had a free copy come with some other software I bought. In fact I just used it last week to save Sheldon's site to my hard drive for off-line viewing.
Thank you for telling about this program. I would like to put Sheldon Brown's website on a CD-ROM while it is still available. I wish the Harris shop was selling CD's of the site, so that Sheldon's family could be compensated for the many years of hard work he put into this valuable cycling resource.
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Sorry but saving Sheldon's & Ken's sites to disk just is not the best thing to capture this
uber-timeless & valuable bicycling info. That takes a book.

Why?

With technology racing forward as it does anything downloaded to a CD today may not be readable
on tommorow computers. Just look as the old "basic" compared to Windows and Macs OS X.

Give me a book to record history and really valuable info in everytime.
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The website extractor looks interesting. There is also HTTrack which I haven't used, but it is free and cross platform (GPL, yada, yada...). And, for the more computer guru types, there is always "wget" and/or "curl". For those of you interested in mirroring a website using a tool such as these, be sure to pay attention to the "follow url recursion" issue with your particular tool. What this basically means is how many hyperlinks deep the tool should follow, and should it follow off site links. For instance -- if a page on the website has a link to someone else's blog, should it follow that off site link or not... Your hard drive can fill up quick if you inadvertently try do download the *entire* internet, which is a possibility

Back on topic, it seems as if Ken's site is back up. Thank's Joe! Perhaps if you ask Joe Gardner, the bikeforums admin if you can get a mirror from him, he might be amenable. Likewise with the people at Harris regarding Sheldon's site. Perhaps they might be willing to put a CD-ROM up for sale.

Pre-submit edit -- ^^I agree about a pair of books^^. Talk about an obvious, headslap moment! I'd happily pay for both.
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For those of you interested in mirroring a website using a tool such as these, be sure to pay attention to the "follow url recursion" issue with your particular tool. What this basically means is how many hyperlinks deep the tool should follow, and should it follow off site links. For instance -- if a page on the website has a link to someone else's blog, should it follow that off site link or not... Your hard drive can fill up quick if you inadvertently try do download the *entire* internet, which is a possibility
Great point & I should have mentioned that. The first time I saved Sheldon's site I didn't use the option to stay within the domain name & like you said I was well on my way to saving the entire internet.
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