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    Is there any way to determine the make and model from the VIN?

    i recently acquired a bike that has been painted over many times and i dont know what kind of bike it is. but the more i look at it and the more i ride the more i think its a very nice older lugged steel frame. is there somewhere i can look up a vin number online? thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by channelz28 View Post
    i recently acquired a bike that has been painted over many times and i dont know what kind of bike it is. but the more i look at it and the more i ride the more i think its a very nice older lugged steel frame. is there somewhere i can look up a vin number online? thanks.
    Bikes don't have vins. Looking at the lugs/dropout/seat cluster gives you a general idea of whether or not it was a nicely made frame.
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    oh, what is the significance of the number on the bottom of the bike? it looks like a vin number. the lugs look like any other steel frame, the dropouts are really thick, thats the only things i noticed about them. probably double the thickness of most old dropouts. i think its also a 700c fork, since my short reach calipers fit my 700c wheels. which also makes me think its nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by channelz28 View Post
    oh, what is the significance of the number on the bottom of the bike? it looks like a vin number. the lugs look like any other steel frame, the dropouts are really thick, thats the only things i noticed about them. probably double the thickness of most old dropouts. i think its also a 700c fork, since my short reach calipers fit my 700c wheels. which also makes me think its nice.
    Bicycles have frame serial numbers, but these are not technically "VIN#"s.

    VINs are a specific type of serial number that are only applied to motor vehicles, which bicycles are not. See here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle...ication_number

    Note that the VIN specification requires that plant, model and year info be encoded into the serial number.

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    There is no standard serial numbering system in place for bicycles that I know of--at least, not in the US.

    In the US, bicycles are not regulated by the Dept of Transportation, but by the Consumer Product Safety Commission--which requires that each bicycle imported or manufactured bear a unique serial number, but does not require any information be encoded into any standard format.

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    If you want to ID a frame, you could take a few good photos and post them online and ask around. Chances are there is probably somebody else who can ID it, or at least ID the manufacturer, who you could then ask for more info just by submitting the serial number to them.
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    hmm what is bikefax? it comes up as not registered.

    i could take pictures, i dont know if there are people who really can tell one generic looking lugged steel frame from another. for instance, i have a raleigh capri, basically an entry level cheap older frame. the lugs look identical (to me) to the painted frame im trying to identifiy. but its obvious from the weight that the capri is a cheaper bike.

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    Take pictures of the lugs, fork crown, seat cluster, and if it has components, then those too. Then post your question to the Classic and Vintage forum. It's quite possible that someone might be able to identify it though by no means certain. I've NEVER heard of anybody identifying a frame from the serial number. If you already know the brand you might be able to determine year or model from the serial number but that's about it.
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    Post some pictures......then I'll move this over to C&V as Kommisar suggested.
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    bicycles have vins
    cars have vins--- the government and insurance co.s decide what it takes to identify property.
    serial numbers can have great meaning for a bike manuf.
    thus, I would consider them vins for the collectable markets......................

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    Quote Originally Posted by G piny parnas View Post
    bicycles have vins
    cars have vins--- the government and insurance co.s decide what it takes to identify property.
    serial numbers can have great meaning for a bike manuf.
    thus, I would consider them vins for the collectable markets......................
    Unfortunatley some vins tell you stuff and others dont.

    My Paramount 'VIN' aka serial number tells me the year, plant, month and sequential build number. Its format is so unique that it can used to identify my frame as a Paramount regardless of it having decals or paint

    My PX10 'VIN' aka serial number tell me absolutly nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G piny parnas View Post
    bicycles have vins
    cars have vins--- the government and insurance co.s decide what it takes to identify property.
    serial numbers can have great meaning for a bike manuf.
    thus, I would consider them vins for the collectable markets......................
    I guess if you take the letters in their litteral meaning of "vehicle identification number" then a bicycle's serial number is a VIN but "VIN" is generally accepted to have a very particular meaning and a format mandated by the government. Bicycles do not have that. Each manufacturer has its own proprietary format for serial numbers, some of which have specific meanings, others of which are simply sequential production numbers, and some that seem to mean nothing at all. Given that and the fact that the vast majority of manufacturers don't publish the format of their serial numbers, I don't think you can consider those serial numbers to be VIN numbers. Maybe 'vin' with small letters if you like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G piny parnas View Post
    bicycles have vins
    cars have vins--- the government and insurance co.s decide what it takes to identify property.
    serial numbers can have great meaning for a bike manuf.
    thus, I would consider them vins for the collectable markets......................
    Well, , , , -no.

    A VIN# is a specific format of serial number, but all serial numbers are not VIN#s.

    VIN#s are only applied to motor vehicles, which bicycles are not.
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    talk to a cop-- who thinks your ride is hot--- it is a VIN
    is it a 70 ss chevelle original paint? maybe not---
    all of you are answering this question "yes"
    the original post is asking if the bike can be identified of its orig. man. by the serial numbers--
    the answer "can"be a yes if it is a 64 schwinn and you are a collector........ its a '6,4 bro lo serial
    and its stolen as a cookie from Vons on a hot summer day in the hood...........................

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    Quote Originally Posted by G piny parnas View Post
    talk to a cop-- who thinks your ride is hot--- it is a VIN
    is it a 70 ss chevelle original paint? maybe not---
    all of you are answering this question "yes"
    the original post is asking if the bike can be identified of its orig. man. by the serial numbers--
    the answer "can"be a yes if it is a 64 schwinn and you are a collector........ its a '6,4 bro lo serial
    and its stolen as a cookie from Vons on a hot summer day in the hood...........................
    Sooo...if I send you the serial number from one of my bikes, can you determine the make, model, and year from that? If so, please tell where you would look up that information.

    Now I don't know the VIN of my truck off hand but if it got stolen I would only have to report it so and the DMV could look it up and determine everthing a police officer needed to identify the vehicle. On the other hand, I can't go to the DMV and ask about my bicycle because it is not a motor vehicle and hence doesn't have a VIN. Now if, as actually happened, I wrote down the serial number and my bike got stolen and I gave the police that serial number they might, as they did, find the bike and return it to me 3 days later. So in that sense, the serial number was in fact a "vehicle identification number" but it was not by any commonly accepted definaition a VIN. The only thing the cops could tell from that number was that they had found a bicycle with a serial number that matched. If the decals had been peeled off they would have had no idea what the make, model, or year of the bike was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G piny parnas View Post
    talk to a cop-- who thinks your ride is hot--- it is a VIN
    is it a 70 ss chevelle original paint? maybe not---
    all of you are answering this question "yes"
    the original post is asking if the bike can be identified of its orig. man. by the serial numbers--
    the answer "can"be a yes if it is a 64 schwinn and you are a collector........ its a '6,4 bro lo serial
    and its stolen as a cookie from Vons on a hot summer day in the hood...........................
    Yes, as a matter of fact, it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siu Blue Wind View Post
    Yes, as a matter of fact, it is.




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