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Old 10-17-08, 03:50 AM   #1
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Laundry soaps and Winter Goretex jackets.

It's been posted that most laundry soaps clog up the fabric in Gore Tex winter jackets.. Nike puts out a Goretex specific detergent called Nikewax Tech Wash. But, it is like 10 buck for a quart size bottle. Lasts for only like 10 washes . Or maybe a two weeks supply come the coldest months.
Any other detergents GoreTex specific that are more practical and don't clog up the pores of Goretex.
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Old 10-17-08, 05:39 AM   #2
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I don't know where you got that idea, except from companies selling overpriced detergent.

Gore-tex has a page with care instructions. They just say "Machine-wash warm (104° F/40° C). Powder or liquid detergent. No fabric softener. Follow manufacturer's instructions."
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Mike. No where else than right here at bike forums. It was said once your Gore Tex looses its breathability, wash in plain water followed by a Gore tex specific soap.
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Well, you can believe the manufacturer, or some random person on the Internet. The manufacturer also says (in their FAQ):

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What's the best way to clean my GORE-TEX® garment?

There's no mystery here. Just toss your GORE-TEX® garment in the washing machine in warm (104° F/40° C) water. Use powder or liquid detergent, but skip the fabric softener and chlorine bleach, please. Then tumble-dry on a normal warm setting and you're ready to go. That's it. Be sure to read the manufacturer's care tag in your garment for specific instructions.
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The reason I pose the question is just that. To ask the question. Not sure I believe it , either. So why does Nike make "Nikwax." On the bottle it says this Tech Wash stuff, revitalizes the breathability of the fabric along with it's impermability . We all do know with time, laundering removes the ability of Gore Tex to resist water. That is pretty well accepted by all.
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Yes Tech Wash by Nikwax is the right answer...but it isn't made by Nike.

http://www.nikwax.com/en-us/products...8&activityid=6
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Grasschopper, do we have to use it each and every wash.?... If so, To get thru the 3 months of winter, as much as I ride - I'd need about 10 bottles worth or about 130 dollars worth of product.
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I own a couple of Gore-tex jackets and they are really easy to wash: warm water, regular detergent (liquid or powder, I prefer powder), don't add any liquid softener in the rinse. Don't add a dryer sheet when you are drying the jacket in the machine. I've never used the Nikwax or other products and each jacket has lasted 10+ years with no problem in water shedding or waterproofness.
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We all do know with time, laundering removes the ability of Gore Tex to resist water. That is pretty well accepted by all.
Really, why don't you just go to the Gore-Tex site and read the care FAQ? It says this (notice that they specifically do NOT recommend wash-in treatments):
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How can I restore my garment's water repellency?

You can totally restore a GORE™ product's durable water repellency (DWR) by using a topical DWR treatment product for outdoor fabrics, available at outdoor retail stores. (Note: We do not recommend wash-in treatments.) These special treatments help maintain and restore the DWR on the outer shell fabric of the product so that it remains water and stain repellent. Anyone can properly maintain the DWR on a GORE™ product.

When water no longer beads on your garment's outer fabric, simply apply a topical DWR treatment product according to its directions.

Why do I need to use a water-repellent treatment on my GORE-TEX® product?

Gore shell fabrics, the outermost fabric layer of a GORE-TEX® garment, are treated with an ultra-thin polymer coating known as DWR, or durable water repellent. This coating causes water to bead up and roll off the outer layer of fabric, instead of being absorbed.

Water-repellent outer fabric provides additional insulation and prevents liquid from saturating your garment's outer fabric, a condition known as "wet out" that can make you feel damp and clammy. Your garment may even feel like it's leaking, although it's not.

Regular wear and tear, plus exposure to dirt, detergents, and other impurities, causes DWR failure. The effective life of the DWR depends upon how you care for your garment and how rigorously it is used. The most effective way to maintain your Gore garment's water and stain repellency is to wash it, rinse it, and put it in your dryer. Keep it clean!
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It's been posted that most laundry soaps clog up the fabric in Gore Tex winter jackets.. Nike puts out a Goretex specific detergent called Nikewax Tech Wash. But, it is like 10 buck for a quart size bottle. Lasts for only like 10 washes . Or maybe a two weeks supply come the coldest months.
Any other detergents GoreTex specific that are more practical and don't clog up the pores of Goretex.
Blah, Blah, Blah. Wash like you would any other sports garment. don't fall for the hype.
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Any 'non-detergent soap' will work, if you want an alternative to NikWax. Sport-Wash (18 loads) can be found at Wal*Mart in the camping section for less than $5. Any 'scent/dye free' baby soap will work or even oatmeal shampoos. ToyR'Us sells BabyGanics (33 loads) for $10. No need to over-think it or pay high prices.
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Grasschopper, do we have to use it each and every wash.?... If so, To get thru the 3 months of winter, as much as I ride - I'd need about 10 bottles worth or about 130 dollars worth of product.
Wow you wash your jacket a lot. Honestly I think I have only washed my Mtn Hardware ski jacket half a dozen times in 15 years.
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Use a soap at your own peril. Doing so in anything but distilled water will likely result in minerals clogging up the small holes which let Gore-Tex breathe. If you want to know why, here's a link.

Really, this is simple. Follow the manufacturer's recommendations.
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Use a soap at your own peril. Doing so in anything but distilled water will likely result in minerals clogging up the small holes which let Gore-Tex breathe. If you want to know why, here's a link.

Really, this is simple. Follow the manufacturer's recommendations.
+1 Goretex garments are easier to take care of than a cotton tshirt -- throw in washer, don't use softener, throw in dryer, don't use a dryer sheet.
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Grasschopper, do we have to use it each and every wash.?... If so, To get thru the 3 months of winter, as much as I ride - I'd need about 10 bottles worth or about 130 dollars worth of product.
How often are you washing a waterproof jacket? I go a whole winter and only wash them maybe once. Its not dirty, it doesnt stink, it still breathes. I dont understand the need to wash outer shells every ride ?
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I wash my motorcycle gear in Nik products, as recommended by the manufacturer, Aerostich. Washed in water and detergent, it leaked. In the Nik products, wash and treatment(2 products) it is water tight.

p.s (edit) I do this ever 2 or 3 years, 40,000 to 60,000 miles, of continuous wear, as it is also my crash protection.
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Wow you wash your jacket a lot. Honestly I think I have only washed my Mtn Hardware ski jacket half a dozen times in 15 years.
Chopper, you don't sweat when you ski.?. I sure do when I bike, no matter how cold it is. We are talking here winter weight jackets . GoreTex is supposed to wick; but, I don't always agree.
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