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Old 03-30-04, 06:45 PM   #26
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Do you guys and gals experience harrassment alot from motorist? Two guys in a car this morning threw a beer bottle at me and I didnt say a word to them. They stopped a short way up the road and said "What did you say? " They were Cussing alot. I didnt say a word. They were out looking for trouble. But I held back and said nothing. Good thing they didnt come after me. Things could have gotten ugly.
First of all I have never had this happen. However I have had some situtations with people in cars that made me nervous. In my opinion you have to first assess the sitation. You were one man on a bike. They were 2 drunks in a car. Unless you are packing heat, you are in trouble if there is any altracation. So you need to start thinking defensively. How do I get away from this?

First of all I would look for a place to go where there vehicle couldn't. A bike is much narrower than a car and sometimes there is a place for you to lose them. Also the first thing I would do is grab the cellphone. This changes the balance back into your favor a bit. Without it, they have all of the power. Now if they think you have called the authorities they have to start thinking about there own well being instead of just indangering yours. So I have never ridden 1 mile without my cellphone on my hip.

My theory is that, "maybe you are going to take me out but I'm taking you with me." Also I would expect that the majority of people like this already have some sort of problem with the law, be it warrants etc. The last thing they want to end their Saturday night drinking spree is to be locked up. The chance that will happen jumps greatly to them when you have the phone to your ear.

Lastly, we all hate to pay taxes but one of the big things we pay for is law enforcement. Get your money's worth and call the cops. I realize that not everyone has a cellphone but to me it would be one of the last things I would be without in biking.
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Old 03-30-04, 06:49 PM   #27
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The point is still the same -- what if it had not been a high-profile athlete? What if it had been you or I in that situation? Would the sentence have still been 10 years? Maybe I'm cynical, but I very much doubt it.
Mr Carter raped his ex-wife and beat his child and was waiting trial on those charges. There were witnesses that said he would have run over Lance. Yep, I think under the same cicumstances the same outcome would be the same for you and me. But out riding solo and no witness, we would be deadmeat!
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Old 03-30-04, 07:29 PM   #28
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I think a cellphone is a great item to carry but I wouldn't count on a cop to come and save me in the middle of nowhere. I just keep telling myself to not do anything to escalate the situation. Most times the car is going by too fast to even get a license plate number. All confrontations I've had was because I flipped the bird after they did something stupid.
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maybe we all need steel quick release seatposts...you know...a little selfprotection every now and then, right?
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While living in the Dallas area sometime ago I had a near miss with a couple of drunks. They drove by me (in a four lane rd) and one took a swing at me with a bottle yelling get off the road (I guess me and my bike was hogging up one too many lanes for them). Like most people I gave them the bird and tires screeched to a stop but I guess they couldn't wait for me to catch up with them because they got back in their pickup and took off.

That has been my only harassment to me that I could think of. I do remember there was an altercation with a driver and several cyclists (rear ended one of the cyclist) at one of the local biking events (again in the Dallas area, or was it Waxahachie). The police took care of the problem pronto as there were plenty of witnesses.
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Old 03-31-04, 02:12 PM   #31
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Yep I pack heat. Thats another reason I had to keep my cool.

And Nope I dont wear tights. Sweats only.
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maybe we all need steel quick release seatposts...you know...a little selfprotection every now and then, right?
Frame pumps will at least look scary. They work good on dogs. Also Big U locks
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It is a strange pheneomenon. I really don't get it? I mean these red necks they have there hobbies too wether it be fishing, watching nascar, beer drinkin I don't care I like to ride a bike what the hell is wrong with that? You know, well I'm preachin to the choir here but what is it? Is it that they actually have to slow down and get around you disturbing there driving speed? Is it that they think your some commie ultra left wing liberal farie thats commin to take there guns? What?

I mean why don't these flag waving freedom fry eatin inbred red necks see Lance 5 time winner of the Tour De (enemy of the US)France as a better man then Dale? [/Rant]

LOL I hope I don't offend anyone but really I don't get. btw if you saw me driving my old pick up truck down the road that leads to my house you'd swear I was a red neck.
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This is probably the only time you can say that you were a better cyclist than Lance Armstrong.

You kept your cool. Lance escalated.
You stayed safe. Lance almost lost his life.
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I mean why don't these flag waving freedom fry eatin inbred red necks see Lance 5 time winner of the Tour De (enemy of the US)France as a better man then Dale? [/Rant]

LOL I hope I don't offend anyone but really I don't get. btw if you saw me driving my old pick up truck down the road that leads to my house you'd swear I was a red neck.

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happens probably once per long ride (2 hours)...

sometimes i'll get (unintelligible) profanity shouted at me while they whizz hence (hence not being able to hear)...

but most of the time its just punk ass kids passing wayyyyyy too close


the funny thing is, when i ride on the "ghetto" part of town it never happens... only in the more suburban area with 18 year olds in daddy's pick-up truck
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You are a little braver than me. I'm always afraid the might be 6ft 7 and 300 lbs or packing heat!
Nope, not braver - Stupider is probably a better word (but I'm brave enough to admit it). I admit I have trouble controlling my temper when this happens, A hard look into the face from me to them usually and I repeat usually does it for me. Drunks are a different rule, the 2 mentioned were in local rurual area, but clearly won't drunk, high on drugs, or etc. Just looking for a fight. The message is to avoid confrontation if at all possile, BUT if it looks bad, be the badder. I've found that in the rurual areas around here some folks understand confrontation and 'niceness/shyness/avoidance' is a weakness. I've gotten around much better if I make sure they know - try to hurt me & I guarentee you that you WILL be hurt also.
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happens probably once per long ride (2 hours)...

sometimes i'll get (unintelligible) profanity shouted at me while they whizz hence (hence not being able to hear)...

but most of the time its just punk ass kids passing wayyyyyy too close


the funny thing is, when i ride on the "ghetto" part of town it never happens... only in the more suburban area with 18 year olds in daddy's pick-up truck
That is so true. Most of the near-misses I've had are with stupid teenage boys driving the family SUV. They are by far the most dangerous- even worse than cellphone talking moms because they go so much faster.
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