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Old 04-10-09, 03:29 AM   #1
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Is there a bike that matches these specs?

Hi all,

After much time fighting with the old Spec'd Sirrus and in anticipation of a summer of joy here in cycling heaven, I want to treat myself to a new baby.

Tell me... is there a bike that has some of these specs?

1. Steel frame preferable. Though not a deal breaker.

2. Disk brakes very much want. Never had them before, but *hate* sand and am sick of rim brakes.

3. Internal hub much want. Never had one before, but *sick* of derailleur cleaning and maintenance.

Looking for street-hybrid Sirrus-style bike again.

Your thoughts pretty please?? I would guess that many would swear by discs, and some would recommend internal hub? Is there any manufacturer that makes something like this out of the box?
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Disk brakes with hub gears means Shimano Alfine or Rohloff. If you have big hills you need Rohloff, otherwise, Alfine can do everything you need for much less. I use Alfine and its a great system.

One of the best Alfine bikes is the Brodie Ocho. It has an alu not steel frame, 700c wheels and a disk placement compatable with std luggage racks.
I think the frame has an eccentric bottom bracket for chain tension.
Its not the derailleur-like thing that bike companies use as a cop-out when they add IHG to a std derailleur frame.

If you really can't live with the alu frame and need steel, then its still useful as a guide to how to do an IHG bike properly.

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Hi all,

After much time fighting with the old Spec'd Sirrus and in anticipation of a summer of joy here in cycling heaven, I want to treat myself to a new baby.

Tell me... is there a bike that has some of these specs?

1. Steel frame preferable. Though not a deal breaker.

2. Disk brakes very much want. Never had them before, but *hate* sand and am sick of rim brakes.

3. Internal hub much want. Never had one before, but *sick* of derailleur cleaning and maintenance.

Looking for street-hybrid Sirrus-style bike again.

Your thoughts pretty please?? I would guess that many would swear by discs, and some would recommend internal hub? Is there any manufacturer that makes something like this out of the box?
The beauty of bicycles is that if you want it, you can build it. Start with a frame and fork that is set up for disk brakes, and go from there.
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I LOVE this bike. It may be a bit more "commuter" than your looking for though....

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The beauty of bicycles is that if you want it, you can build it. Start with a frame and fork that is set up for disk brakes, and go from there.
It is tempting, but first off I'm lazy, secondly I would be concerned about a bike not ending up fitting that well in the end after I build it up. Very difficult to know what the end result would be without riding it. As I said, my existing bike has been mysteriously difficult to get right. I've ridden tons of bikes and never known one that stayed so stubbornly on the 'almost right' setup no matter what I do with it. I would have a fear of a bad fit from a bike build ground up.

That said, I would actually *love* to do that.
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Disk brakes with hub gears means Shimano Alfine or Rohloff. If you have big hills you need Rohloff, otherwise, Alfine can do everything you need for much less. I use Alfine and its a great system.

One of the best Alfine bikes is the Brodie Ocho. It has an alu not steel frame, 700c wheels and a disk placement compatable with std luggage racks.
I think the frame has an eccentric bottom bracket for chain tension.
Its not the derailleur-like thing that bike companies use as a cop-out when they add IHG to a std derailleur frame.

If you really can't live with the alu frame and need steel, then its still useful as a guide to how to do an IHG bike properly.
Hey, thanks, that's great!

Funnily enough, I want internal hub mostly because I am just sick to death of dealing with derailleurs. However I don't really have much need for the range of gears. This country is *flat*.
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I LOVE this bike. It may be a bit more "commuter" than your looking for though....

That's pretty cool actually. Except for the chainguard. Yick.

But yeah, I use my bike for everything, so funnily enough fenders and a rack are definitely things I want to be able to have on it.

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Hmmmm, methinks I may have found something here... Build Your Own Bike. I love Koga bikes. My last great bike was a Koga, before some damn rat stole it.

Seriously tempting.
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Disk brakes with hub gears means Shimano Alfine or Rohloff.
Or SRAM iMotion,which has one more gear than the Alfine and is easy to remove/install.

Nicodemus: not many disc + IGH bikes here in the States,and I don't think there's any with a steel frame. Swobo makes the Dixon and Baxter;the Dixon is 26",but still pretty sporty,the Baxter would just need different bars and skinnier tires. Giant has the Seek 1. Specialized has the San Francisco series,which are also 26". If you really want steel,Bianchi's San Jose Pro is steel;it's SS and has canti's,it has disc tabs and the rear spacing for a hub. You could also build up a Surly 1x1 with IGH,discs,and 700cc wheels.
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trek Soho might be a good fit. If you are not in the US, the Cannondale bad boy series is available as a single speed (easy convertion to Igh) as well as the Bad Boy Rohloff.
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I've been thinking about building or buying an IG bike, too, just to use around town (like I need another bike...). What you said about brakes and derailleurs needing constant attention caught my eye, though.
We have half a dozen bikes in the family, and two of mine, an Atlantis and Rambouillet, get quite a bit of use. The Atlantis is four years old, probably gone 8,000 miles or so, and I haven't touched the brakes since I built it except to flick dirt off the pads occasionally. I ride on and off road, probably 15 percent of the time on fire roads or dirt, year-round, even do water crossings now and then. The Rambo stays on pavement, and it's had no attention at all.
As for the derailleurs, I have 105 on the Rambouillet, Deore on the Atlantis, and I haven't put a finger on either one of them in two and four years, respectively. I bought the Rambo used (but just professionally tuned), built the Atlantis myself, and the only attention the drivelines have had is a shot of ProLink every week or so.
No real point to this, but either I'm lucky or you're unlucky....
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courtesy of markhr...

drop bar, discbrake, 700c, off the peg

Post #9 has frame-only options if none of the prebuilts suit your fancy.
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Novara (the REI house brand) makes a bike called the Fusion. It's probably one of the best deals you can get on an alfine commuter bike, and it comes loaded-- rack, fenders, kickstand, bell, generator lights-- the whole nine yards. It does use a chain tensioner, though, which is a bit of a shame.

Also, Swobo just announced (or released?) a new Alfine-based bike called the baxter. It costs more and you've got to buy fenders etc yourself, but it looks real nice and has sliding dropouts.
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Hmmmm, methinks I may have found something here... Build Your Own Bike. I love Koga bikes. My last great bike was a Koga, before some damn rat stole it.

Seriously tempting.
Oh, damn, that's neat.

Here's what I came up with. I'd only change the rack to a Topeak MTX version (I've got a slide-on Topeak basket) and maybe look for a longer rear fender:
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