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Old 05-23-04, 06:16 PM   #1
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Good bike?

Is this bike any good?
I'm not looking to do any hardcore biking with it. It will be mostly for excercise.
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Oh good god, here we go again.

You might want to read this, everything that needs to be discussed is in this thread.
Tell my friend why not to buy this Mogoose!
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Can somebody then reccomned a cheap bike, yes cheap to haul my 14 month daughter around in a trailer through the neighborhood? We're talking 5mph causal rides here, I don't need a top of the line MTB.
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Can somebody then reccomned a cheap bike, yes cheap to haul my 14 month daughter around in a trailer through the neighborhood? We're talking 5mph causal rides here, I don't need a top of the line MTB.
Specialized HardRock series would be a great starting point from a price/value standpoint. Other contenders include the Trek 820. However, I'm not so certain you need an MTB at all. Have you looked at hybrids and/or comfort bikes?
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Can somebody then reccomned a cheap bike, yes cheap to haul my 14 month daughter around in a trailer through the neighborhood? We're talking 5mph causal rides here, I don't need a top of the line MTB.
I think you can get a Trek 820 hardtail mountain bike for $250 retail. Which is $100 over what you wanted to pay. Honestly, I know for some people, like me for instance, $100 is a lot of money and is probably better spent on other things necessary. If you really don't want to go over $150 for a bike, I suggest either trying to find a used one at a local bike shop, browse the classifieds, or get the cheapest $50 bike from your local walmart/targets/whatever and then spend about 50 bucks having the LBS make sure everything's properly tightened and aligned. The differences between a $50 bike and the $150 one you found are pretty slim if it's from one of the large department stores.
You're right, you don't need an expensive mountain bike to cruise around on weekends. But even the $250 trek would be a much better investment because:
a) the parts are higher quality
b) construction is higher quality
c) buying from a local bike shop gives you the support you need later on if anything goes wrong
d) it'll be put together properly and be safer which is most important, especially if you're going to be taking your kids along for the ride.

I have a specialized hardrock that I use daily and it'd held up extremely well. The build is similar to the Trek 820 except the hardrock is $330. Trek also has a comfort bike called the navigator 50 which also sells for $250. It puts you into more of an upright sitting position instead of hunched over like on a mountain bike. The ride is arguably more comfortable. A cheap well built bike can last you a life time, a cheap department store bike might last a year or two and give you a heck of a lot of problems inbetween.

If you get it from a bike shop, they can also install a kid trailer in the back for you and help you get everything fitted and setup right so it works smoothly and safely.
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Can somebody then reccomned a cheap bike, yes cheap to haul my 14 month daughter around in a trailer through the neighborhood? We're talking 5mph causal rides here, I don't need a top of the line MTB.
Neighborhoods? Have you looked at any hybrids?
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Neighborhoods? Have you looked at any hybrids?
Mabye something like
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Steel rims! I didn't think they made those anymore. If a drop of water gets on em, you ain't stoppin...
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Well the key word was something like this, not necessarliy this particular one.
What about this one or this one
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Yeah that's what hybrids/comfort bikes generally are. Question: Are you limited to shopping at dickssportinggoods or a department store and/or really only using this for a year or two at slow speeds on a trail?
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Yeah that's what hybrids/comfort bikes generally are. Question: Are you limited to shopping at dickssportinggoods or a department store and/or really only using this for a year or two at slow speeds on a trail?
Yes, most likely a year or two and around the neighborhood, or paved trails. I'm not limited to Dicks or Sports Authority, but they are closer to me than a LBS, which is more than 20 miles away, I know not a great distance, but as opppsed to traveling 5 miles, i'd take the 5 mile drive.
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Yes, most likely a year or two and around the neighborhood, or paved trails. I'm not limited to Dicks or Sports Authority, but they are closer to me than a LBS, which is more than 20 miles away, I know not a great distance, but as opppsed to traveling 5 miles, i'd take the 5 mile drive.
Take the 20 mile drive next weekend. Have a chat to someone at the LBS about what you want to do with a bike. Take a few different sorts of bike out for test rides - try a mountain bike, a comfort bike and a hybrid. In fact, try more than one of each. Talk to them about their service policy.

Talk to someone at Dick's about taking a test ride on some of the bikes they offer. Talk to them about their service policy.

It's your decision in the end, but I'd join the others here and highly recommend you get a bike from a dediated bike shop. The quality and attention to detail of the build is enough. Any bike will be theoretically fine for what you want to do, but I know I'd want a bike I use to tow a child to be put together by someone who knows what they're doing and cares about their workmanship. That's worth the extra dollars and the 20 mile drive to me...
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The 20 mile drive is only an extra 15 minutes each way. My concern is you're towing your kid with you. And the build quality and the way these department store bikes are put together have absolutely no consistency.

Bike shops will use torque wrenches to make sure things are in there tight enough but not over tightened, they will align the brakes when they install them, ensure that the brake levers are of sufficient reach, ensure the wheels are true, that the tires are properly aired up, that the tires are installed correctly, that the quick releases are properly tensioned, that the deraillers are aligned properly so you can shift that the headset's properly installed. On top of that, if say your derailler isn't shifting correctly, who do you think is more qualified to fix it for you?

As an exercise in shopping, go to the local department store, ask for a test ride on a $150 bike, ask about the features offered, ask about the possibility of adding a child carrier, ask about the construction.
Then drive on over to the bike shop, do the same thing on a $250 bike. See which one you will feel safe and comfortable on.

I am trying so hard to tell you to just get any cheap $69 department store bike because I know for a slow 5-7mph cruise in the neighborhood, it's sufficient, I just can't due to one thing alone, department store bikes have a significantly greater chance of malfunctioning and breaking down and/or apart because they are not put together and/or designed correctly.

Try to put this image in your head.
A bike company using good reliable components and materials. A dedicated bike mechanic with dedicated tools for each part, thousands of dollars worth of equipment, years of experience putting together your bike.
A bike company that goes with whatever is the cheapest. A teenage kid who could care less, is paid minimum wage, probably doesn't know what the term torque means, has a screw driver, wrench, and a hammer putting your bike together.
The difference in price? $100-150. Is that worth the safety of you and your child?
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Yes, most likely a year or two and around the neighborhood, or paved trails. I'm not limited to Dicks or Sports Authority, but they are closer to me than a LBS, which is more than 20 miles away, I know not a great distance, but as opppsed to traveling 5 miles, i'd take the 5 mile drive.
As others have said, it's your decision and your money but even though your intent is to only use it once or twice a year for short distances, you probably shouldn't overlook quality and fit. Even a few miles on a bike that is constantly giving you mechanical problems or one that doesn't fit well can result in an unpleasent experience. Yes, a bike from an LBS will be more expensive and yes an LBS for you is a little more of a hassle to drive to but I think that in the end-run you'll have a more trouble-free experience with your bike if you went with a quality comfort bike from an LBS such as the Giant Sedona ST or for a bike with more street tyres, a Giant Cypress ST. Giant typically offers pretty good bikes at low pricepoints that can get competitive pricewise with lower quality dept. store bikes. The Fuji Regis might also be worth a look and slvoid already mentioned the Trek Navigator 50.

For simplicity sake which will help you avoid maintenance, you might even want to consider a beach-cruiser style bike such as the Giant Simple Single or Bianchi Milano. Both of those bikes are also offered in multi-geared versions too. If you want to add a little attitude, consider the Bianchi Rollo. Other bikes in this genre include the Fuji Sanibel, Trek Cruiser Classic and of course one must not overlook all the bikes from Electra.
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Why buy a throw away bike when you could buy something you'll have for the rest of your life would be my thought. If you are looking for cheap then look into a used bike and get some expertise help from someone who knows about bikes. A good quality used bike is better than some dept. store clunker.
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Four weeks ago I purchased 2 Mongoose XR 200s for myself and the wife, I got hooked, wife didn't. Wish I would have saved the $150 for the Klein I just ordered.

What I'm trying to say is, the bike is ok for the wife she couldn't care less if she rode a Merlin or Mongoose! Me I care,I want to use it as a veichle to a healthier life!
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UPDATE:
Ok, I want to thank all of you for your advice and give you an update on what I got. My wife bought me a bike for father's day, which is a GIANT Sedona. We were both pleased with the LBS and they were very helpful. The only thing I was not thrilled with the place was that they only sold GIANT and TREK, but I think mty wife made a good choice, especially for what it will be used for. I'm not sure of the exact model she got off the top of my head, but it's a 23" aluminum frame, something that I am very greatful for the LBS since they had to special order since I am 6'5". She got most of the upgrades, like the fron end suspension, and comfort seat, and bought the 5 year service plan for the same price it would have cost for the cheapet TREK they had there. Thanks again for all the good advice.
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Ok, I want to thank all of you for your advice and give you an update on what I got. My wife bought me a bike for father's day, which is a GIANT Sedona. We were both pleased with the LBS and they were very helpful. The only thing I was not thrilled with the place was that they only sold GIANT and TREK, but I think mty wife made a good choice, especially for what it will be used for. I'm not sure of the exact model she got off the top of my head, but it's a 23" aluminum frame, something that I am very greatful for the LBS since they had to special order since I am 6'5". She got most of the upgrades, like the fron end suspension, and comfort seat, and bought the 5 year service plan for the same price it would have cost for the cheapet TREK they had there. Thanks again for all the good advice.
Congratulations on getting your hybrid. You're really going to enjoy the many years of riding that you're going to get from it. Ok, now that you're in, if you plan to roam farther, get a cheap patch kit, tire levers and a pump. Don't forget a helmet if you so wish to protect your noggin, just in case.

Did they recommend any options for a trailer for your daughter?
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Congratulations on getting your hybrid. You're really going to enjoy the many years of riding that you're going to get from it. Ok, now that you're in, if you plan to roam farther, get a cheap patch kit, tire levers and a pump. Don't forget a helmet if you so wish to protect your noggin, just in case.

Did they recommend any options for a trailer for your daughter?
I have a pump, helmet (previous biking and rollerblading), what exactly are timre levers? I'm not sure exaclty what they recommended to my wife for trailers, she did bring hom a brochure.
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I have a pump, helmet (previous biking and rollerblading), what exactly are timre levers? I'm not sure exaclty what they recommended to my wife for trailers, she did bring hom a brochure.
You use tire levers to get the tire off the rim so you can either replace or patch the tube with the patch kit if you get a flat.
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You use tire levers to get the tire off the rim so you can either replace or patch the tube with the patch kit if you get a flat.
I prefer speed levers to standard tyre levers. I don't have the actual Crank Bros. Speed-Levers but my minipump (Topeak Einstein) has it built in. Unfortunately, Topeak no longer makes the Einstein and the successor, the Einstein II isn't sold in the US.
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I prefer speed levers to standard tyre levers. I don't have the actual Crank Bros. Speed-Levers but my minipump (Topeak Einstein) has it built in. Unfortunately, Topeak no longer makes the Einstein and the successor, the Einstein II isn't sold in the US.
Oh yeah, they already have that.
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Oh yeah, they already have that.
Don't forget one of these to put tube, tire levers etc. in..
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