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Heifzilla 06-03-09 04:48 PM

Fixies Don't Have Brakes?
 
Or does that mean they just don't have brakes on the handlebars? Can you brake by doing the push your feet backwards thing? Like a coaster brake, except a fixie can't coast.

I ask because I was reading some article about how advanced fixie riders can brake by pushing back on their feet and I thought this was a bit odd...I mean, doesn't just about everyone learn how to ride a bike with coaster brakes, so braking like that shouldn't be an advanced skill. Or is a fixie totally different?

I fondly remember having competitions with the boys on my block to see how long of a skid mark we could leave on the sidewalk by riding fast as fast as we could and then hitting those coaster brakes :)

DiabloScott 06-03-09 04:54 PM

Fixies may or may not have one or two brakes. They do not have a coaster brake which is what you're describing. What makes it a fixie is that the crank and rear wheel are linked together with no clutch or freewheeling.

With a fixie you don't "pedal backwards" to slow down but you can resist the motion of the crank by applying reverse pressure. You can do some other moves like skidding and skipping but they're not a very effective means of stopping. You can pedal backwards if you're actually going backwards but that's a pretty difficult trick. Fixie riders with no brakes pretty much rely on their maneuvering skills to not need brakes; it's a controversial concept in which intelligence is frequently questioned. Fixies with just a front brake are more common and sensible.

c_m_shooter 06-03-09 04:56 PM

On a track brakes are not allowed. Some people use track frames on the street wich don't have mounting points for brakes. Most sensible fixed gear riders have a front brake for emergency use, but you are correct you stop a fixed gear by simply stopping the pedals. That isn't very effective at high speeds though. I have had others clock me at 45mph on long downhills on my fixed gear. When spinning that fast, the back tire tends to come up in the air if you resist the pedals, :eek: so having a brake is a good idea.

Sixty Fiver 06-03-09 04:58 PM

A coaster bike coasts when you stop applying power to the rear wheel and by back pedalling you engage the brake.

A fixed gear has no mechanical brake and the rear wheel actually serves as a flywheel and stores kinetic energy... because the drive is fixed you cannot coast but can resist the forward motion of the pedals to slow and with greater effort and technique stop / skid the back wheel.

The majority of people who ride fixed gear bicycles use at least one brake as this can provide adequate stopping power... the front brake can actually provide all the braking power possible if it is correctly applied.

StephenH 06-03-09 05:51 PM

On a coaster brake bike, you rotate the pedals backwards to engage the brake, then once it's engaged, you just push on the pedals, but they don't continue to rotate backwards.

On a fixie, you'd be applying pressure in the reverse direction, but the pedals are still rotating forward all the time. If the back wheel is turning, so are the pedals.

The same principal applies to unicycles and kid's tricycles.

deraltekluge 06-03-09 06:38 PM


sensible fixed gear riders
Isn't that an excellent example of an oxymoron? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1.../whistling.gif

DataJunkie 06-03-09 07:19 PM

Incorrect

HandsomeRyan 06-03-09 07:51 PM

If you have an LBS that stocks fixed gear bicycles (you'll get flamed for using the term "fixie" around here) you should take one for a test ride sometime. They are [in my opinion] one of the most fun types of bicycles to ride.

Sheldon Brown loved them too!

Heifzilla 06-03-09 08:30 PM

Thanks for the replies. I've learned something new :)

tatfiend 06-03-09 08:52 PM

Rarely mentioned but use of a brakeless fixed gear bike on the street is illegal in most states as they require a mechanical brake on at least one wheel. I have not heard of it being enforced but it could IMO make a difference if injured on a brakeless FG bike and you try to sue or collect insurance.

Robert Foster 06-04-09 12:05 AM


Originally Posted by tatfiend (Post 9038074)
Rarely mentioned but use of a brakeless fixed gear bike on the street is illegal in most states as they require a mechanical brake on at least one wheel. I have not heard of it being enforced but it could IMO make a difference if injured on a brakeless FG bike and you try to sue or collect insurance.

Oh it is enforced in our little California town. :eek: One of our club racers got a ticket and the CHP wasn't about to be talked out if it. So now he has a front brake, as required by statute. He has tried to convince me that riding a fixed gear is worth trying. But if you can’t coast down a hill what is the point of going up one? A SS maybe but once they came up with multiple speeds what is the point? ;)

HandsomeRyan 06-05-09 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by Robert Foster (Post 9038941)
He has tried to convince me that riding a fixed gear is worth trying. But if you can’t coast down a hill what is the point of going up one?

If you've never tried it, no one will be able to explain it to you in words. There is a certain "one-ness" with the bike [often referred to as the "Zen of Fixed Gear"] since you control both the acceleration and braking with your legs the bike feels like a prosthesis or an extension of your body much more than a traditional freewheeling bicycle. They are also great fitness training tools. You have no idea how much you coast until you hop on a bike where you can't anymore. A few weeks riding fixed and you'll have legs like tree trunks!

As I said before- I think all cyclists should at least try riding a fixed gear bike sometime. I know it won't be everyone's cup-of-tea but I think the association with urban youth riding brakeless track bikes like maniacs on the streets have tarnished the reputation of a very fun type of cycling that is done by a diverse group of people.

A few other benefits:
• FG bikes are inexpensive since they don't have shifters, derailleurs, and cassettes (the most expensive components of traditional bikes).
• FG bikes are simple to build and maintain, other than chain oil and tension and some air in the tires there is almost nothing to tweak or adjust on a regular basis.
• FG bikes are incredible training tools for building muscle and endurance. Lance rides one!
• FG bikes (especially "track geometry" frames) offer a much more "exciting" ride becasue you really feel the direct power transfer. They make "the same old ride" that grew boring on a traditional bike seem new and fun again. [At least this was my experience with them]

jack002 06-05-09 09:35 AM

Hey, if you loved riding a TRICYCLE, then you'll love the fixie! :D :D

HandsomeRyan 06-05-09 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by jack002 (Post 9047316)
Hey, if you loved riding a TRICYCLE, then you'll love the fixie! :D :D

I think you mean "Big Wheel". Much sportier than a standard trike. :p

http://api.ning.com/files/OWM0Ec67vL...rxBigWheel.jpg



I just realized I've become the official [non-hipster] spokesperson for riding fixed gear.

Phiberglass 06-05-09 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by HandsomeRyan (Post 9046553)
If you've never tried it, no one will be able to explain it to you in words. There is a certain "one-ness" with the bike [often referred to as the "Zen of Fixed Gear"] since you control both the acceleration and braking with your legs the bike feels like a prosthesis or an extension of your body much more than a traditional freewheeling bicycle. They are also great fitness training tools. You have no idea how much you coast until you hop on a bike where you can't anymore. A few weeks riding fixed and you'll have legs like tree trunks!

As I said before- I think all cyclists should at least try riding a fixed gear bike sometime. I know it won't be everyone's cup-of-tea but I think the association with urban youth riding brakeless track bikes like maniacs on the streets have tarnished the reputation of a very fun type of cycling that is done by a diverse group of people.

A few other benefits:
• FG bikes are inexpensive since they don't have shifters, derailleurs, and cassettes (the most expensive components of traditional bikes).
• FG bikes are simple to build and maintain, other than chain oil and tension and some air in the tires there is almost nothing to tweak or adjust on a regular basis.
• FG bikes are incredible training tools for building muscle and endurance. Lance rides one!
• FG bikes (especially "track geometry" frames) offer a much more "exciting" ride becasue you really feel the direct power transfer. They make "the same old ride" that grew boring on a traditional bike seem new and fun again. [At least this was my experience with them]

He got everything on the dot. I ride my fixed gear mainly for around town and cities for a quick commute or travel and sometimes for training. It's a completely different feels and lots of fun. It's also fun to do backwards circles, keo spins, wheelies, etc once you feel comfortable with the drive train and riding backwards, etc. Everyone should get saddle time on one sometime in their life.


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