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Old 06-28-05, 12:46 PM   #76
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I always use the helmet on long rides. On short rides I sometimes just put on a ball cap. Is there anyplace where they are mandatory for bikes?
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Old 06-28-05, 12:59 PM   #77
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Old 06-28-05, 01:11 PM   #78
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I always use the helmet on long rides. On short rides I sometimes just put on a ball cap. Is there anyplace where they are mandatory for bikes?
Um, yeah. Some (lots of?) municipalities... The county I live in requires them. I would be shocked if cops ever wrote a ticket for it, given the tiny percentage of riders who ACTUALLY wear them, but it's technically the law.
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I almost rode the last 5 miles of a 40 mile ride without my helmet on 2 days ago. It was hotter than hell and humid and I was a drenched with sweat. I was looking at another 8% climb for the next mile or so and was really thinking about not putting my helmet back on (I was stopped at the side of the road). Thankfully I came to my senses and rode the rest of the way with the helmet on. I was passed by a group of numbnuts in a pickup and they missed me by a few inches and I was thanking God I had put my helmet back on; if they had run me off the road I would've smashed into a nice low stone wall - probably head first.
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Evidence?

I fall more per mile on foot than I do on wheels.
You need evidence to prove that bikes are more unstable then walking?

you are on idiot, if you stop running you are standing, if your bicycle stops moving you fall over. When you trip on something you dont just fall over like a log, your brain has the ability to compensate and catch yourself. Your bike cant do that.
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You need evidence to prove that bikes are more unstable then walking?

you are on idiot, if you stop running you are standing, if your bicycle stops moving you fall over. When you trip on something you dont just fall over like a log, your brain has the ability to compensate and catch yourself. Your bike cant do that.
Yes. My bike can't do that. And your running shoes don't have stabilising gyroscopes in them. That proves nothing.

If it's so obvious, then there should be some evidence, shouldn't there? Speaking from my own experience, I'm pretty sure I fall more than once per thousand miles on foot, and less than that on the bike. How can that be?
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Yes. My bike can't do that. And your running shoes don't have stabilising gyroscopes in them. That proves nothing

yes they do, its called your feet which are controled by your brain which has the unique ability to stablize itself.
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If it's so obvious, then there should be some evidence, shouldn't there? Speaking from my own experience, I'm pretty sure I fall more than once per thousand miles on foot, and less than that on the bike. How can that be?
thats not quite a fair comparison, you spend alot more time walking a thousand miles then you do cycling its not porportional. You also dont just walk around on pavement for your thousand miles. When you walk you experience thousands of difference variables that could cuase you to trip.

so you want evidence? people didnt just invent bike helmets because they looked cool, they were introduced becuase it was proven that when you get on a bike you have a good chance of crashing and killing yourself.
Now if people had been triping and killing themselves running they probably would have made running helmets but due to the lack (or better yet, non-existence) of running helmets availiable thats apparently not the case.
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I refuse to walk anywhere on campus, and as such I've spent countless hours at 12mph and below on my bicycle, never with a helmet.

not only that, but I fall continuously. Sidewalks, curbs, through trees, off embankments, all are hazards. one time my bike dead stopped while I was going about 10mph. I flew through the air, landed, and rolled. Got some nasty road rash and sprained my wrist.

Sure 10mph is fast enough to crack my head open, but it's not fast enough for me to avoid hitting my head on the ground at all. The only thing that changed after that day was that I started wearing gloves so I wouldn't tear my hands up on the concrete when I fall.

that being said, any time I go on a trafficked street, or am riding a bike capable of more than 15 mph, I wear my helmet 100% of the time.

for me, riding w/o helmet at low speeds is a much more acceptable risk than say, running up stairs (an activity I don't participate in)
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it was proven that when you get on a bike you have a good chance of crashing and killing yourself.
That is Not True. From Transport for London's statistics, cycling accounts for approximately 2% of passenger-miles covered in the city, and about 2% of fatal accidents. So that makes it just as dangerous as walking, driving, taking the bus or train, or pogo-sticking. These figures have not changed dramatically over the last 20 years or so, even though helmet use has gone from practially 0 to around 20%. And this is in London, where the traffic is heavier and less friendly than anywhere else.

The accident rate in the UK is 5 times that of Holland, where helmet usage is practically nil.

Now, I'm not trying to imply that this correlation implies causation, but it does show that helmet-wearing has little-or-no bearing on accident rates. Other factors are much more important. Consider how the money expended on cycle helmets could be better employed in, say, street re-design, driver education, legal reforms &c.
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