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Old 07-05-09, 04:06 PM   #1
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NY Times article about biking in Detroit

Hard times have made Detroit bike friendlier. Read Bike Among the Ruins from today's NYT.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/05/op...p=1&sq=&st=nyt
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The article almost makes you think of life after World War III...bombed out cities where a bike is the best form of transportation. The REAL City of Detroit is actually very small...when you are in the center of Detroit, you are less than five miles from any point inside of the city limits. That means you can get to most locations in less than 30 minutes...if you don't get shot, raped, or robbed along the way.

Clint Eastwood's most recent film was made in one of the older suburbs that surround Detroit. It shows neighorhoods that were "family" neighborhoods in 1950 that have become hell on earth in 2009. Very sad.
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I thought bikes were illegal in Detroit.
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I thought bikes were illegal in Detroit.
Nope, cycling is just generally frowned upon and regarded as slightly unpatriotic.
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The article almost makes you think of life after World War III...bombed out cities where a bike is the best form of transportation. The REAL City of Detroit is actually very small...when you are in the center of Detroit, you are less than five miles from any point inside of the city limits. That means you can get to most locations in less than 30 minutes...if you don't get shot, raped, or robbed along the way.

Clint Eastwood's most recent film was made in one of the older suburbs that surround Detroit. It shows neighorhoods that were "family" neighborhoods in 1950 that have become hell on earth in 2009. Very sad.
Hi rustyoldbikes,

Are you from Detroit? I am. Growing up there in the 1960's I can remember our generation's parents saying similar things about their old neighborhoods in the "inner city." Now we are saying the same things about the "family" neighborhoods we grew up in the 60's, but the devastation seems much worse. It is sad. Now the "family" (of my kin) neighborhoods are out in the suburbs where the auto is king and community seems sacrificed.

I've always thought that the basic infrastructure of the city proper was pretty amenable to cycling whereas the suburbs are prohibitive. I was impressed when I was looking at a cycling map from 1896 at the Detroit Public Library Main Branch at how much of the roads were already laid out as far, as I recall, up to 12 mile road.
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The REAL City of Detroit is actually very small...when you are in the center of Detroit, you are less than five miles from any point inside of the city limits. That means you can get to most locations in less than 30 minutes...if you don't get shot, raped, or robbed along the way.

Clint Eastwood's most recent film was made in one of the older suburbs that surround Detroit. It shows neighorhoods that were "family" neighborhoods in 1950 that have become hell on earth in 2009. Very sad.
Ignoring your over-the-top negative stereotypes of Detroit and Highland Park, here are some corrections to what you've posted.
  • The city of Detroit is not "very small." In fact it's larger than Boston, Manhattan, and San Francisco combined.
  • It's about 19 miles at its widest. The city center is not 5 miles from all points in the city.
  • Clint Eastwood's movie was made primarily in Highland Park, which is not a "suburb that surrounds Detroit." In fact, Detroit surrounds Highland Park and it is still made up of family neighborhoods.
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The City of Detroit is tiny compared with modern American cities, such as Houston, Texas (60 miles across from north to south, and 40 miles from east to west). The northern city limit of Detroit is "Eight Mile Road", named because it is eight miles from the border between Detroit and Windsor, Canada. My uncle owned a dry cleaning shop and home near Woodward and Chicago in central Detroit. From his house, it was less than five miles to the bridge to Windsor, Canada in the south, less than five miles to the eastern suburb of Grosse Point Park, less than five miles to the western suburb of Dearborn, and less than five miles to the northern suburbs of Ferndale and Oak Park.

If someone lives near Grand Circus Park in Detroit, they live within about two miles of everything in Detroit worth visiting, including the art museum, Wayne State University, Renaissance Center, Cobo Arean, Greek Town, Comerica Park, Ford Field, and the Opera House. The streets of central Detroit are well laid out, making it fast and easy to bike from "A" to "B" .

That means a person on a bike living in that neighborhood can get anywhere important in Detroit in less than 30 minutes on a bike...less time than motorists sometimes invest hunting for a parking spot.

But, the problem with living in Detroit is you must live in Detroit...and MOST of the families that lived in Detroit in 1960 have chosen to move elsewhere...ANYWHERE else but Detroit.
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Nope, cycling is just generally frowned upon and regarded as slightly unpatriotic.
They banned all other alternative forms of transportation in Detroit. Then the UAW went to Chicago and crushed the large Schwinn factory there.
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I'll take it as given that Detroit is a bikeable city, once the snow and ice melt.

How is it to ride in the winter?

I used to live in Milwaukee, and biking was a pretty dicey thing from ~October to as late as early May.

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The City of Detroit is tiny compared with modern American cities, such as Houston, Texas (60 miles across from north to south, and 40 miles from east to west). The northern city limit of Detroit is "Eight Mile Road", named because it is eight miles from the border between Detroit and Windsor, Canada.
Nearly all U.S. cities are tiny compared with one of the largest cities in the U.S. Is Atlanta tiny? Is Denver tiny? Detroit's size is just in between those two -- neither of which are considered tiny. And there are many more interesting destinations more than a couple miles from Grand Circus Park.

BTW, Eight Mile is not 8 miles from the U.S. border. It's 8 miles from Campus Martius.

When was the last time you biked in Detroit? Was it the 1960s? Because based on what you're trying to say, it doesn't sound like you've biked here recently. I would suggest hooking up with a tour at the Wheelhouse Detroit or perhaps trying the Tour de Troit (http://www.tour-de-troit.org) ride on September 19th. I think it would help provide a fresher update with the latest happenings in Detroit, especially those related to biking. Even within the past 5 years, a lot has improved in Detroit with respect to biking.
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