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    Motorcyclists honking a 3 wide cyclists(video)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBZIgVJeqSs

    I hate to say it, but I kind of understand where this guy is coming from. The cyclists were riding 3 abreast, on a narrow twisty road, which doesn't strike me as a terribly bright thing to do.

    What are your thoughts?, who do you side with?.

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    I don't know if that's legal in Wales, but it's certainly foolish. The description of the video says that the limit of that road is 60mph. These guys must have a deathwish.

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    In my view the cyclists and the motorcycle rider were driving incorrectly; they were on the wrong side of the road! And they forced the oncoming car into the wrong lane also!

    And the local government painted the dividing line in the wrong color! And it's dashed instead of solid!

    Since it seems that everyone is wrong in this crazy place, I'll defer to people who live in said crazy place. I'm sure they have laws and rules of etiquette that determine who is right and who is wrong.

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    It's a narrow twisty lane, so the cars will have to change lanes to pass anyway - what's the big deal? You want them to the side so they can be squeezed when the car goes past in the same lane as them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caspar_s View Post
    It's a narrow twisty lane, so the cars will have to change lanes to pass anyway - what's the big deal? You want them to the side so they can be squeezed when the car goes past in the same lane as them?
    The description in the video said the speed limit on that stretch of road is 60mph. At those speeds, any cyclist is at serious risk, regardless of where the position themselves on the road. Perhaps the best choice is not to ride that road in the first place.

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    Three across isn't legal in most places I know of; sure, it happens, like on the Jan. 1 Chilly Challenge here, but it's not an excuse.

    My take is, if you want to ride a road like that one, roll a paceline, not a social pace.

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    It takes balls to deliberately squeeze someone, then complain about their road manners.

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    60mph isn't really that high of a limit, especially considering that's the speed limit on all unmarked rural roads including single track (I believe).

    As for the scenario, the cyclist shouldn't have been so far into the lane (forcing the 'courteous' car to swing all the way to the edge of the road on the other side) and the motorcyclist shouldn't have honked 'n buzzed.

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    I'm out of patience with three-abreast cyclists, along with two-abreast, four-abreast and those a-holes who dress up in pro kit and ride in packs on the MUT, terrorizing old ladies in walkers and kids on skates.
    I've been a semi-serious to very serious cyclist since college in the early '70s, and in car-bike confrontations, I used to be 100 percent in favor of the bikes. In the last five years or so, though (actually since Lance won about his fourth Tour, I guess), I've seen so many jackasses on the road that I'm turning around.
    My house is near the turnaround point of a popular 25-mile loop from Reno, and where I used to see one or two cyclists a week, now I may see 40 or 50 on a sunny Saturday. They litter the area with crap, leave their old inner tubes in the ditches, block traffic on our narrow roads and flip off or try to intimidate drivers who dare to protest. If we're going to "demand" respect and equal treatment on the roads, we need to stop acting like d!cks.

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    The speed limit is NOT 60mph. The speed was in kilometers. Divide the motorcycle's speed by 1.609344 and you'll discover that the motorcycle was not going more than 37 miles per hour when he was doing 60.
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    Before I can comment I need to know if that roadway is two lanes going the same direction or different directions and if the speed is in mph or kph.
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    Looks like there was plenty of room to pass.
    Not too much to say here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cadillac View Post
    The speed limit is NOT 60mph.
    Read the video description again. It says the speed limit on that road is 60mph.

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    Here in Michigan, the riders would have been justified in 'taking the lane' due to its sub-standard width. Three-abreast isn't allowed, though. I agree, the cyclists shouldn't have been doing that. Neither the car nor the motorcycle seemed to be inconvenienced for more than 10 seconds, so I think the biggest gripe the motorist had was that the cyclists weren't conforming to the way they *though* the cyclists should have behaved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velo Dog View Post
    I'm out of patience with three-abreast cyclists, along with two-abreast, four-abreast and those a-holes who dress up in pro kit and ride in packs on the MUT, terrorizing old ladies in walkers and kids on skates.
    So you don't like them riding on the road, and don't like them riding on the MUT, where do you expect people to ride then?

    If you are riding on the road, and a car comes up, they can switch lanes and pass just as if they came upon a tractor (and in a rural place like that, whether it is 60km or 60mph, if it is too twisty then they're going too fast) Whether the cyclist is single, 2, 3, 4 as long as they are in one lane, why does it matter?

    They litter the area with crap, leave their old inner tubes in the ditches
    I agree with you on this. If they carried it there, they can carry it to the nearest garbage can or to the end of the ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sprocket Man View Post
    Read the video description again. It says the speed limit on that road is 60mph.
    It took place in Wales. They use metric. The motorcycle's speed before meeting the cycles was just under 60, after he passed the cycles it reached 60. His bike is calibrated in metric.

    I think the video description was made by someone who saw the 60 on the speedo and assumed it was mph
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