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    being told your bike is a peice is disheartening...

    well i went to a LBS close to my place cuz i was thinking of getting a new stem and handle bars...
    bottom line, he told me to stop spending money on my bike, my bike is pretty much crap, save my money and ride it into the ground.
    i mean i know my bike is crap but yah :\ fixed my derailleur for free tho....
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    That might be the last visit I paid to that shop. Junk or not, for whatever reasons you have if you'd rather upgrade than buy a new bike they should be working with you.

    Then again, I haven't seen your bike. If it's damaged or in such disrepair that it's a danger to ride then you might have been given some good, honest advice. Harsh, maybe, but nevertheless it might be worth evaluating.

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    Could be several things going on. One is, they may be more interested in high end work, or in selling you a new bike. Or, it could be a safety issue as pointed out. It could be a matter of not wanting to fix something knowing it's going to go wrong again promptly. It could be that they just feel like they'd be doing you a disservice by taking your money and working on it.
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    I doubt it's a safety issue if the he told you to "ride it into the ground." Perhaps he was trying to tell you that the new stem would be worth more than the entire bike?

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    I've been told my vintage PUCH A-D Steyr built with Reynold's 531 double-butted frame & fork, with Campy SR crankset and so forth - in mint condition - was too old to ride safely anymore. Then the ****** tried to sell me some piece of flashy garbage or other. I didn't pay attention to this dork. I just wanted a patch-kit. That shop is inept and crooked. I wouldn't trust them to build a tricycle for a 5 year old.
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    ...I half expect that kind of service with my shed-fresh Nishiki!

    Course, only been to the Re-cycle sorta place, and one of the LBS's, need to take the bike back to where it was originally from!
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    Awww that's messed up. I would never go back there if I were you. It would be different if the bike is dangerous but apparently not.

    Granted he was being honest with HIS personal opinion, it doesn't justify him insulting you.
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    My PUCH is a frame-set from Austria in 1982-3. I've been building and rebuilding it ever since. People's eyes pop out of their head when they look at it. Quite frankly, it's beautiful. That ****** at the LBS was reading off a script. If I'd wheeled in a $10,000 carbon Whatzit, his monologue wouldn't have changed.

    As I was standing in line, a guy asked me if I'd bought it here (I'd wheeled it through the door and half-rode it to the part's counter). I looked at him and laughed. I said: "I wouldn't let these idiots so much as put air in my tires."

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    OP's bicycle is selling for a cool CDN$99 at Canadian Tire atm. I guess that LBS is too good for the bike? I won't shop there even if I have a Madone! That kinda attitude will never get my business.
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    Yeah, they wanted you to buy a new bike from them. Last time I would visit the store.

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    I am going to have to chime in fro the owner here. We have had to explain to customersthat there bike is not worth fixing. Why put a hundred bucks in parts in a bike that costs 70.00 retail and then figure in the price of labor. (not saying you bars and stem was 100.000). Somwtimes ths stuff isnt worth it.
    If it looks like the $3000 bikes but costs less than a decent helmet, it probably isn't a wise investment.


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    Is it worth it to put a $100 in parts on a bike that cost $70.00? If the buyer is going to sell the bike, then the answer is no. But if the buyer is going to ride the bike, then the answer might well be yes.

    I have a feeling that the real problem is that LBS shops can't pay their bills on customers who spend $25 every 6 months or so. But if the bike shop's business model is squeezing 3, 4,5 hundred bucks out of people who didn't really need (or want) to, then they are crooked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milice View Post
    I am going to have to chime in fro the owner here. We have had to explain to customersthat there bike is not worth fixing. Why put a hundred bucks in parts in a bike that costs 70.00 retail and then figure in the price of labor. (not saying you bars and stem was 100.000). Somwtimes ths stuff isnt worth it.
    Because the alternative is buying a $2,000 bike?

    This is where Americans are having problems. They buy cars every 3 years instead of keep cars for 10+ years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TryingMyBest View Post
    Because the alternative is buying a $2,000 bike?
    Who said any thing about buying a 2000 dollar bike?
    Not me.
    If it looks like the $3000 bikes but costs less than a decent helmet, it probably isn't a wise investment.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Milice View Post
    I am going to have to chime in fro the owner here. We have had to explain to customersthat there bike is not worth fixing. Why put a hundred bucks in parts in a bike that costs 70.00 retail and then figure in the price of labor. (not saying you bars and stem was 100.000). Somwtimes ths stuff isnt worth it.
    So explain it to the customer and let them decide what they want to spend their money on. I ride an old Raleigh Sports beater with a brand new Brooks saddle that cost more than 5 times what the bike did, so I guess I am an idiot? BTW nothing says the parts I put an old beater bike today won't end up on a new build tomorrow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milice View Post
    Who said any thing about buying a 2000 dollar bike?
    Not me.
    So what do you think the alternative is? A $1,000 bike? A $700 bike? You tell me.

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    Having been in the automotive repair for 30+ years, it can be a fine line to walk telling a customer their car just isn't worth what it will cost to repair it. The LBS guy didn't walk that line very well. That said, there was a message that had to be delivered and he delivered it.

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    Embrace it!

    my 95 trek is beaten and unsexy and i watched the boys at the LBS make a face when i had them replace the shifters. so i used my cafepress account to make a sticker for it
    "My other bike is a 'p o s' too." if my bike was actually WORTH anything, i'd have to sell it.

    think of it as a great bike in disguise.

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    From what I can tell, the Matterhorn is pretty low-end, and I agree with the bike-shop-dude's advice. I don't think I'd personally spend money on new stem and handlebars for it. If you find used stem and handlebars for free, that's an option I might consider. I figure a low-end stem+handlebar+labor at LBS prices would be $60 minimum. That really should go into a savings account for a new bike.

    Fixing your derailleur for free is unbeatable service. I'd return to that shop ALL the time.

    I guess it kinda depends on the reason you're looking for new bar/stem. Current ones broken, don't fit right, you just don't like 'em????
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    I kinda like having what most consider a ***. Most folks see the Mongoose name and figure my Mongoose is a piece, but it's one of the sweetest MTB frames I've ever ridden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wahoonc View Post
    So explain it to the customer and let them decide what they want to spend their money on. I ride an old Raleigh Sports beater with a brand new Brooks saddle that cost more than 5 times what the bike did, so I guess I am an idiot? BTW nothing says the parts I put an old beater bike today won't end up on a new build tomorrow

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    I think the LBS offered good advice in my opinion. The same advice can be true for cars too. Sure, you can avoid payments while driving an older payed for car, but you can also get nailed with monthly repairs for older cars too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milice View Post
    Why put a hundred bucks in parts in a bike that costs 70.00 retail and then figure in the price of labor.
    The first answer that comes to mind is for sentimental reasons. There could be any number of reasons why a bike's sentimental value could far exceed monetary value. That's for no one but the owner to judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panthers007 View Post
    I've been told my vintage PUCH A-D Steyr built with Reynold's 531 double-butted frame & fork, with Campy SR crankset and so forth - in mint condition - was too old to ride safely anymore. Then the ****** tried to sell me some piece of flashy garbage or other. I didn't pay attention to this dork. I just wanted a patch-kit. That shop is inept and crooked. I wouldn't trust them to build a tricycle for a 5 year old.
    why were you wheeling your bike around an LBS if you only wanted a patch kit? Park bike outside store, get patch kit and leave. I don't see where sales pressure would be applied unless you were somehow showing off your vintage bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterK View Post
    well i went to a LBS close to my place cuz i was thinking of getting a new stem and handle bars...
    bottom line, he told me to stop spending money on my bike, my bike is pretty much crap, save my money and ride it into the ground.
    i mean i know my bike is crap but yah :\ fixed my derailleur for free tho....
    Raleigh Matterhorn...im disappointed in you today...more than usual
    We have no idea exactly how the LBS informed you that your bike is "crap".

    While there is nothing wrong with an inexpensive bike, it really might make more sense putting real money into a better bike. The LBS (if they did so politely) might be doing you a service telling you that!

    People with old classic bikes have a different problem (more power to them!).

    Quote Originally Posted by TryingMyBest View Post
    Because the alternative is buying a $2,000 bike?
    Of course not. Many LBS sell bicycles for much less than that.

    Quote Originally Posted by joe_5700 View Post
    why were you wheeling your bike around an LBS if you only wanted a patch kit? Park bike outside store, get patch kit and leave. I don't see where sales pressure would be applied unless you were somehow showing off your vintage bike.
    The real question is why he is patronizing a shop he thinks is "inept and crooked"!
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