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skullbrigade 08-19-09 11:02 PM

Using more than one lock
 
I don't own a bike but I'll be soon getting one, I am worried about how easily it is to get through most locks. Does anybody use more than one lock on their bikes? I was thinking about using 3 different kids of locks on mine.

BarracksSi 08-19-09 11:32 PM

Wow, three.. Just don't lose any of the keys. ;)

I don't bother with more than two. One big lock for locking the bike to an object (either a big chain or a Kryptonite NY Lock) and a smaller one for locking the unlocked wheel to the frame. I usually just use one, though, and have occasionally taken off the front wheel to stick it inside the lock as well.

skullbrigade 08-20-09 01:25 AM

I know it might be a bit excessive but I want to be really careful about this. If I had the money I think a fun idea would be to lock up a bike with 3 or more locks in an area where bike theft is common and see how that plays out :P.

Panthers007 08-20-09 11:37 AM

If you haven't already, ask your LBS to swap-out any quick-release skewers you have on your wheels to bolt-on. This can deter a thief that won't leave empty-handed.

geo8rge 08-20-09 11:49 AM

You are worried too much about theft. Get a bike you can afford to replace. Lots of non theft bad things can happen like your bike sliding down a pole into the gutter and having its wheels crushed by a truck.

Kat12 08-20-09 05:18 PM

IMO, even with good locks, I'd be worried about vandalism...whether it's someone who's pissed they can't steal it, or just for the hell of it, and they slash the seat or tires or something...

skullbrigade 08-20-09 05:58 PM

I've had people steal my sideview mirror out of my car. I mean wtf?

Panthers007 08-20-09 07:12 PM

Pre-pubescent tough-guys out to impress their tribe. Ever read, or seen, "Lord of the Flies?"

I fully understand the concern for the bike staying where you put it. And a good lock is an effective - usually - deterrent to thieves. But a professional thief can defeat any lock you have in a matter of a few minutes. Even around other people looking on, they ply their trade. They know the vast majority of people "don't want to get involved" and won't call for help. So it's prudent to take as many pre-cautions as possible.

I wouldn't dream of taking one of my top-notch machines and leave it unattended. If I can't keep my eyes on it - I won't take it there. I solved - partly - this problem by fixing up and older 3-speed for running errands with - and a Kryptonite u-lock. Knowing my area and my town well tells me this will likely be enough.

Good luck!

frankenmike 08-20-09 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Panthers007 (Post 9528185)
Pre-pubescent tough-guys out to impress their tribe. Ever read, or seen, "Lord of the Flies?"

I fully understand the concern for the bike staying where you put it. And a good lock is an effective - usually - deterrent to thieves. But a professional thief can defeat any lock you have in a matter of a few minutes. Even around other people looking on, they ply their trade. They know the vast majority of people "don't want to get involved" and won't call for help. So it's prudent to take as many pre-cautions as possible.

I wouldn't dream of taking one of my top-notch machines and leave it unattended. If I can't keep my eyes on it - I won't take it there. I solved - partly - this problem by fixing up and older 3-speed for running errands with - and a Kryptonite u-lock. Knowing my area and my town well tells me this will likely be enough.

Good luck!

I totally agree with this. My '86 mint green and magenta stumpjumper with two locks(u-lock+ 1/2" cable) never even gets looked at on campus. (I think people purposely look away, actually)

tatfiend 08-20-09 11:20 PM

I note that the OP has not mentioned where he lives. From reading posts I get the impression that in NY thieves will steal anything that does not have an armed guard sitting on it. Some other major metropolitan areas are apparently about as bad.

skullbrigade 08-24-09 03:59 AM

I live in Los Angeles, not the worst bicycle theft city in the world but it's pretty bad in theft generally. I am now looking at getting a OnGuard Bulldog Mini TC 5013TC for $19 & 2 cables for my seat post and front wheel. Still not sure if I should invest in an expensive chain.

geo8rge 08-24-09 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by skullbrigade (Post 9545461)
I live in Los Angeles, not the worst bicycle theft city in the world but it's pretty bad in theft generally. I am now looking at getting a OnGuard Bulldog Mini TC 5013TC for $19 & 2 cables for my seat post and front wheel. Still not sure if I should invest in an expensive chain.

Cable + Ulock
Take your seatpost with you.
Take QR skewers with you.
consider MKS removable pedals
consider taking your front wheel with you.
Most likely your bike will no longer be worth the effort.

The new GPS trackers with sms text messaging look interesting.

Or just get a folding bike.

Finally, get over it. A bicycle is a thing. If you cannot afford to lose it and replace it, you cannot afford to own it. A bike being stolen should be a minor problem, if it is not, your bike is your problem.

annc 08-24-09 09:50 AM

You can never have too many bike locks!

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/6100/bikelocks.jpg

skullbrigade 08-24-09 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geo8rge (Post 9545968)
Cable + Ulock
Take your seatpost with you.
Take QR skewers with you.
consider MKS removable pedals
consider taking your front wheel with you.
Most likely your bike will no longer be worth the effort.

The new GPS trackers with sms text messaging look interesting.

Or just get a folding bike.

Finally, get over it. A bicycle is a thing. If you cannot afford to lose it and replace it, you cannot afford to own it. A bike being stolen should be a minor problem, if it is not, your bike is your problem.

That isn't a problem, but there is nothing wrong with being prudent right? It might be just an object, but it is still quite a considerable amount of cash.

Keith99 08-24-09 11:40 AM

Aside from the city the OP also gave no indication of where the bike will be locked. A lock, just about any lock is good enough if you are going on fun rides to different places. Much more important in that situation is what you lokc it to. Pick a post without a top and the bike may simply get lifted.Of lock to through a cahin link fense (without involving a post) and wire cutters can leave it attached to nothing.
But thinking that on this kind of ride you are gone for minutes your odds are good with nothing.

The other end of the spectrum is going to work or class, same place each day. A theif can see the bike, decide they like it and then know they have hours. In htat situation they can not be stopped.

BarracksSi 08-24-09 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by skullbrigade (Post 9546911)
That isn't a problem, but there is nothing wrong with being prudent right? It might be just an object, but it is still quite a considerable amount of cash.

Just as importantly (maybe even more so), it's transportation. Ride ten or twenty miles from home -- that'll be an expensive cab ride or a long trek on public transit (assuming that it exists, or hasn't shut down for the night, in your area).

mlts22 08-25-09 08:01 PM

Wouldn't three locks get a bit heavy, especially for a long commute? If you lock up to the same place every day, maybe get permission from the owner there to be able to leave a heavy duty chain lock (true security chain, not the chain cut to at Gnome Depot) on the rack. This way, you can carry a U-lock and be able to lock up most places, but at your destination, you have both locks as protection.

To minimize the issue of people stealing components and such, if your ride is something you will be commuting with on a daily basis for a while, I'd consider locking skewers, or at least Allen head or Torx bolts for the wheels and seatpost. This way, you can just lock the frame and not worry about your wheels being missing when you return. You can also lasso a steel cable through your stuff, but because it is so easy to cut those, it provides no more than token protection.

I wonder if you would be better off, instead of three locks, you might look at one Sold Secure Gold lock, and a set of Pitlocks that cover the seatpost, both wheels, the stem, and the brake bolts (either rim or disc). This way, you can just focus on locking your frame to a sturdy object and calling it done.

Luddite 08-25-09 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geo8rge (Post 9545968)
Cable + Ulock
Take your seatpost with you.
Take QR skewers with you.
consider MKS removable pedals
consider taking your front wheel with you.
Most likely your bike will no longer be worth the effort.

The new GPS trackers with sms text messaging look interesting.

Or just get a folding bike.

Finally, get over it. A bicycle is a thing. If you cannot afford to lose it and replace it, you cannot afford to own it. A bike being stolen should be a minor problem, if it is not, your bike is your problem.

Incorrect. A bicycle is not merely a "thing." Even if it was a "thing" no one has the right to take it away from you. Do you seriously have enough $ at all times to replace a stolen bike, ie: a fairly expensive one?

My bicycle represents freedom to me, I won't let ANYONE deprive me of that.

I do have two locks but am frequently too lazy to use both. I'm even considering not commuting to college by bike if I can't get reliable bike security there.

wunderkind 08-25-09 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Luddite (Post 9558096)
Incorrect. A bicycle is not merely a "thing." Even if it was a "thing" no one has the right to take it away from you. Do you seriously have enough $ at all times to replace a stolen bike, ie: a fairly expensive one?

My bicycle represents freedom to me, I won't let ANYONE deprive me of that.

I do have two locks but am frequently too lazy to use both. I'm even considering not commuting to college by bike if I can't get reliable bike security there.

Isn't it sad the society that we live in that such freedom is so easily disrupted by some dude in need for a next fix? I read this morning's Metro paper about bike theft has risen in Vancouver. It's only past mid-year and the total count is already approaching last year's total. :(


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