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    Rant about "no international bidders"

    I'm really over the whole "no international bidders" bs on ebay.

    Sure, no one wants to be ripped off, but that can happen just as easily even when dealing with bidders in your home country.

    Just because I don't live in the USA does not mean I'm trying to scam you!!!!!!! Perhaps I'm just trying to buy some old or rare bike part? Just be careful in general to avoid the obvious scams. Is there any other reason to to want international bidders? Surely more bidders is better for you?

    It's not as if international postage is any harder. The same smiling face at the USPS will happily send it to Hong Kong as easily as Honolulu. I'm paying for the postage, so what do you care?

    Frak! Frak! Frak!


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    More paperwork involved at the post office filling out international customs paperwork. Also postage can vary considerably depending on where something is being sent and I believe that I have read that insurance is not even available for sending items to some countries. All in all some sellers believe it is too much hassle apparently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tatfiend View Post
    More paperwork involved at the post office filling out international customs paperwork. Also postage can vary considerably depending on where something is being sent and I believe that I have read that insurance is not even available for sending items to some countries. All in all some sellers believe it is too much hassle apparently.
    It takes about 20 seconds to fill in a customs form at the post office. Insurance is available for all countries, AFAIK. USPS postage calculators are available online. It's simplemindness that keeps people from shipping internationally. Luckily there are enough people who realize that it really isn't a hassle, and is well worth the 20 seconds to fill in the form.

    I buy damn near everything I can online from abroad due to crazy high prices here in Latvia. I received three packages this week, two from the US and one from Hong Kong. Easy as pie.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziemas View Post
    It takes about 20 seconds to fill in a customs form at the post office. Insurance is available for all countries, AFAIK. USPS postage calculators are available online. It's simplemindness that keeps people from shipping internationally. Luckily there are enough people who realize that it really isn't a hassle, and is well worth the 20 seconds to fill in the form.

    I buy damn near everything I can online from abroad due to crazy high prices here in Latvia. I received three packages this week, two from the US and one from Hong Kong. Easy as pie.

    There is another "larger" form that is sometimes required, depending on the destination. Insurance is also unavailable to some destinations.

    I have refrained from doing international due to it being more difficult to resolve "supposed" discrepancies.

    I did recently ship to Australia, with the " I am not responsible" caveat.
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    Time for paperwork? Pah-leeze! Talk about lazy, lazy, lazy. Don't sell stuff at all if you don't want to do any work for it (hell, have a garage sale out front one day - no postage at all there). No matter where it's going you've got to pack it too...

    Insurance isn't that big a deal for most things. Small items I'm prepared to just take the risk on. The USPS is very good, as is Australia (where I'm from) and Hong Kong (where I am now). It's not like were talking about a corrupt third world country where something valuable looking will get stolen from the sorting room.

    I'd pay insurance on a bigger item. And again, I'm paying, so what do you (the seller) care.

    Reminds me of something funny my then girlfriend (now wife) said about the postage system in Italy. She was in line to buy stamps and there was a big poster on the wall proudly stating that last year "89% of mail was delivered" - and the fine print did not say "on time", they meant delivered at all!

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    Returning items

    When I ship to the midwest and someone wants a refund, I'm out $10.00 or so in shipping, that smarts. If I ship to Europe, someone wants a refund, I'm out $50.00 or so, that hurts! Tell PayPal you have a no refund policy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenneth Arie View Post
    When I ship to the midwest and someone wants a refund, I'm out $10.00 or so in shipping, that smarts. If I ship to Europe, someone wants a refund, I'm out $50.00 or so, that hurts! Tell PayPal you have a no refund policy
    What are you selling that costs $50 to ship to Europe? Hell, last year I had a frame, fork, and crank shipped to Latvia from the US and it cost $54.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonnyHK View Post
    I'm really over the whole "no international bidders" bs on ebay.
    There's what, 6 billion people in the world? Every single one has their own agenda. Sometimes their agenda isn't going to match yours. Get over it.

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    Its not about the buyer, its the hassle dealing with the post office. In my old neighborhood they did not believe in the short form, you had to wait 30 minutes in line to get to the counter to get the multipage long form then step asaide and fill it out and then get in the back of the line and wait 30 minutes again to get to the counter both times being treated rudely by the staff. Multiple complaints filed with them did nothing. I never made any large sells so it wasn't worth my time and the couple times I did try to ship internationally I lost money because the estimator on the usps web site gave amounts that were way low.

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    $54.00 shipping one way, plus $54.00 back that's $108.00 you woulb be out as a seller accepting a return.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenneth Arie View Post
    $54.00 shipping one way, plus $54.00 back that's $108.00 you woulb be out as a seller accepting a return.
    Huh? Why would you pay shipping on a return? Or for that matter, why would you have so many faulty products sent as to the occasional replacement taking such a huge financial toll? Pack things properly and it's no problem. I receive several international packages a month, and haven't had any need to return anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retro Grouch View Post
    There's what, 6 billion people in the world? Every single one has their own agenda. Sometimes their agenda isn't going to match yours. Get over it.
    If all 6 billion had the exact part I wanted for sale it probably wouldn't be an issue. SOMEONE would ship it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonnyHK View Post
    Insurance isn't that big a deal for most things. Small items I'm prepared to just take the risk on. The USPS is very good, as is Australia (where I'm from) and Hong Kong (where I am now). It's not like were talking about a corrupt third world country where something valuable looking will get stolen from the sorting room.

    I'd pay insurance on a bigger item. And again, I'm paying, so what do you (the seller) care.
    The insurance is not for the buyer, it is for the seller. The seller is responsible until it reaches the consumer. Even if the seller puts the "not responsible" in the ad, they are still responsible.
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    I dont use ebay anymore at all. They made an erroneous charge to my credit card, and will never EVER again see any of my money. Scam artits, they are.

    Which is too bad, lots of stuff to be found on ebay, but I am not willing to take that risk ever again.

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    The problem isn't the cost or ripoff factor, but the new assumption under the Patriot Act that certain practices are possible terriosit activity. Sending several parcels out of the country is one of those acts. Under the Patriot Act, your guilty until proven innocent. Driving the speed limit is considered "suspicious" now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DieselDan View Post
    The problem isn't the cost or ripoff factor, but the new assumption under the Patriot Act that certain practices are possible terriosit activity. Sending several parcels out of the country is one of those acts. Under the Patriot Act, your guilty until proven innocent. Driving the speed limit is considered "suspicious" now.
    This is probably so true and so sad. The "land of the free"? Lord help me. Someone take me to P&R now...

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    Hey, if the seller wants to cut out a large portion of their potential market, who are we to deny them that right?

    If you really want the item, find somebody in an Approved Country who will accept the package and forward it to you.

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    Ebay sellers live or die by their feedback. Sellers with much negative feedback don't get very high bids. When a foreign country's customs authorities seize or otherwise delay a package, the seller has no control or ability to do anything, yet buyers in such cases have been known to leave negative feedback. One such ongoing problem is perfectly normal pocket knives being seized by Canadian customs, often lamented on knife forums.

    An example of another issue: I once won an item from a seller in the UK. As the window for leaving feedback approached, and the item had not arrived, I sent multiple e-mails to the seller, and on the last possible day, I left negative feedback. (I had been burned before, and learned the hard way that NOTHING can be done about a seller who is a fraud, short of the ponderous criminal justice system, once the feedback window has closed.) A few days later, the item arrived. I found the item had indeed taken a very long time in shipping, though if the seller had shipped the item in a more timely fashion, it might have arrived within the 60-day window. (The seller indicated later that he had been traveling at the time I was sending my e-mails.) Unless Ebay extends the time window for leaving feedback, at least for international shipments, I can see sellers being reluctant to ship, and risking negative feedback due to customs issues and shipping delays.

    There are also problems with buyers in certain countries doing charge-backs after an item has shipped. I am not sure it if it due to legal issues specific to those countries, or crime (fraud) trends in those locales.

    It has been a very long time since I shipped anything internationally, and it did not involve Ebay or selling, I but it was certainly more of a hassle than USPS Priority or Express, so I can understand a seller who ships lots of stuff to want to avoid it.

    FWIW, I have not sold anything on Ebay, just purchased stuff.
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    One idea that does come to mind to allow people outside the US to buy items would be a proxy company. You create an account with them, tell them how much to bid, if you win, they get the item, then ship it to you for the costs of the ebay transaction, plus the costs of the internation shipping. It is bad you have to pay shipping twice, and there would not be any way to return a damaged item, but it is better than nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rex G View Post
    Ebay sellers live or die by their feedback. Sellers with much negative feedback don't get very high bids. When a foreign country's customs authorities seize or otherwise delay a package, the seller has no control or ability to do anything, yet buyers in such cases have been known to leave negative feedback. One such ongoing problem is perfectly normal pocket knives being seized by Canadian customs, often lamented on knife forums.

    An example of another issue: I once won an item from a seller in the UK. As the window for leaving feedback approached, and the item had not arrived, I sent multiple e-mails to the seller, and on the last possible day, I left negative feedback. (I had been burned before, and learned the hard way that NOTHING can be done about a seller who is a fraud, short of the ponderous criminal justice system, once the feedback window has closed.) A few days later, the item arrived. I found the item had indeed taken a very long time in shipping, though if the seller had shipped the item in a more timely fashion, it might have arrived within the 60-day window. (The seller indicated later that he had been traveling at the time I was sending my e-mails.) Unless Ebay extends the time window for leaving feedback, at least for international shipments, I can see sellers being reluctant to ship, and risking negative feedback due to customs issues and shipping delays.

    There are also problems with buyers in certain countries doing charge-backs after an item has shipped. I am not sure it if it due to legal issues specific to those countries, or crime (fraud) trends in those locales.

    It has been a very long time since I shipped anything internationally, and it did not involve Ebay or selling, I but it was certainly more of a hassle than USPS Priority or Express, so I can understand a seller who ships lots of stuff to want to avoid it.

    FWIW, I have not sold anything on Ebay, just purchased stuff.
    Your shipping experience was an exception, not the rule. It usually takes no more than two weeks to get something from Latvia to the US, and vice versa. Packages get lost in the US too......

    As for long customs delays, both Italy and Brazil are famous for them and a lot of people who do ship internationally won't ship to either country due to the great incompetence of their customs services. This I can understand as it's a given that there will be great delays shipping to Italy or Brazil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDThompson View Post
    Hey, if the seller wants to cut out a large portion of their potential market, who are we to deny them that right?
    You are quite right. However I demand MY right to moan about it!

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDThompson View Post
    If you really want the item, find somebody in an Approved Country who will accept the package and forward it to you.
    Ah, but asking someone to ship to an address other than your registered one (via ebay and/or paypal) is something that most people will refuse to do. It is a common enough scam arrangement and it frightens people off. Getting a friend in the correct country to bid on your behalf, then arrange shipment is a different matter.

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    If I'm confident an item I have will easily sell in the US I prefer to avoid the extra trouble dealing with international shipping. Besides the additional paperwork, I can drop off my pre-posted flat rate shipping box without having to wait in line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonnyHK View Post
    I'm really over the whole "no international bidders" bs on ebay.
    I used to accept international bidders, but no more.
    It was just too much hassle dealing with issues of shipping where tracking numbers may not even be available, bidders expecting me to spend my time checking every shipper around for better rates (then not even buying the item), customs paperwork issues, bidders unhappy when they get hit with fees at their end which I could not predict nor control, and on and on.

    I'm not running a business;
    I just use eBay to sell off things I don't need;
    If doing so means wasting huge amounts of time on international shipping issues, then I'm better off just throwing these items in the trash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shimagnolo View Post
    I used to accept international bidders, but no more.
    It was just too much hassle dealing with issues of shipping where tracking numbers may not even be available, bidders expecting me to spend my time checking every shipper around for better rates (then not even buying the item), customs paperwork issues, bidders unhappy when they get hit with fees at their end which I could not predict nor control, and on and on.

    I'm not running a business;
    I just use eBay to sell off things I don't need;
    If doing so means wasting huge amounts of time on international shipping issues, then I'm better off just throwing these items in the trash.
    I agree...

    Also the post offices around me are woefully incompetent and keep really crappy hours, so therefore I ship exclusively via UPS. That ends up costing like 6 times the price of the postal service. People don't wanna pay that.
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    Me, I wonder if when someone in Hong Kong does not want to sell something to the OP does he get on an international list and complain about it? The simple fact is that most of us over here in the USA are rather provincial, we do not understand that it is now a world community.

    OTOH, I ordered something from HK three weeks ago and it has not showed up yet. Most private sellers want to put the thing in the mail, and that is the end of it. When you ship internationally, lots of times it is weeks or months of "Where is my item?" I have ordered lots of cheap stuff from HK, usually it is here in a week, sometimes it takes a couple of months; who knows why that is?

    Then there is the issue of strange duties charged to the buyer in other countries that they blame the seller for. Sometimes I wonder why anyone in the US would ship anything outside the country.
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