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Old 10-03-09, 03:27 PM
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Flat Tire Theory FTT

So, you have a flat and after further analysis you find that your tire faced a wrong object and you think to your self, "Oh why, ......why". You might think that you did something wrong and the karma has come to get you, or you might think the faith has saved you because 567 ft. down the road something terrible would have happened to you. In the BCS(best case scenario) you might think it's just bad luck.

But NO!!!!

You'd be wrong if you didn't guess the following.

Punctures occur due to the old air trying to get out of the tire where it's been caged for who knows how long. You still might think, "Oh why, ......why".

Here is why:

When you put the air into the tire, it has nowhere to go and after all the stress that it is required to withstand, it simply gets tired and stale, so this malignant air becomes eager to mix with the fresh outside air so it can get normalized. What it does at that point is simply comply with the laws of attraction and therefore is attracted to things that will liberate it.

I have experimented with this theory and it has proven TRUE.

My commendation is to change air about every 150 miles. Bigger tires will buy you more miles.

Besides my fake know it all attitude and bad grammar, what do you think?

When you let the air out of the tire that's been there for about 1000 miles as you just added air to favour a desired pressure, why do you think it stinks like rotten potatoes and smelly socks, given that you've been extremely lucky that you didn't get a flat in that period of time and never had a chance to smell it.

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Originally Posted by spock
My commendation is to change air about every 150 miles. Bigger tires will buy you more miles.
I'm thinking you have a fear of commitment.

As long as my tire air is willing to stay with me, I'll never put it out.
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Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
I'm thinking you have a fear of commitment.

As long as my tire air is willing to stay with me, I'll never put it out.
I do have a fear of commitment but committing to something that you know wants to be let go, is unhealthy yo.
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Flats come to those who brag about not having flat tires. I haven't had one since. . . .
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Didn't realize air had any sort of intelligence and desired to mix and mingle with the outside air if it were trapped inside. I'd love to know how you proved this to be true. Also what about other air filled items? Like car and truck tires. Guess I had better change out the air stored in my 22 gallon 150 psi air compressor before it explodes taking my hot water heater and furnace with it and thus destroying my home.
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Originally Posted by spock
When you put the air into the tire, it has nowhere to go and after all the stress that it is required to withstand, it simply gets tired and stale, so this malignant air becomes eager to mix with the fresh outside air so it can get normalized. What it does at that point is simply comply with the laws of attraction and therefore is attracted to things that will liberate it.

I have experimented with this theory and it has proven TRUE.

My commendation is to change air about every 150 miles.
No! No! No! Air is cheap (no offense intended) There is no reason not to completely deflate your tires and refill with fresh air before EVERY ride (in my case that would be after every 10 miles).

Remember, air has memory. This has been documented by manufacturers of 'memory foam.' Memory foam is 90+% air. So, since air has memory, when you release it after every ride, it not only remembers the kind treatment, it tells it's friends. The new air knows it will be released after the ride and is content to remain there through the entire ride and not risk injury by trying to escape during the ride.

Trust me. I made the mistake of not heeding my own advice this morning and almost crashed due to low tire pressure. Learn from my mistakes. There's lots to learn.
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Man, I'm glad I read this. I just released all the air from all my bikes tires. I even discovered the air trapped inside my floor pump was getting pretty pissed too.

I gotta say, though, there is some happy air floating around now.
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I'm taking my car in Monday to get the air changed. Can't go wrong there; air is free. Right?
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Originally Posted by spock
I do have a fear of commitment but committing to something that you know wants to be let go, is unhealthy yo.
Maybe if you had something a little more attractive to offer it your air wouldn't be trying to escape all the time.
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So where are you getting your air from?

I can see why, if you fill your tires with some nasty urban polluted air, there's bound to be a lot of conflict and stress so it might want to escape as soon as you ride out into a pleasant countryside. I've lived in the midwest all my life and we have some pretty nice air (unless you get too close to one of those big hog feed lots - that's some seriously nasty air that I would never put into my bike tires). I'm thinking that the nicest air is probably found on mountaintops but, of course, air that nice is rare.

If you fill your tires with nice air, then the atmosphere inside your tire will be pleasant and cozy. Your air will know that it has it good and it's safe and it won't want to leave you for something unknown.
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I'm so glad my theory has been kindly accepted and I thought I was gonna be blasted but instead I'm relieved.

Breathe
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Spock, that is not logical.

That is pantheism. (But my pressurized air, like my bike, loves me and likes to stay with me.)
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Originally Posted by spock
I'm so glad my theory has been kindly accepted and I thought I was gonna be blasted but instead I'm relieved.
Oh yeah, it's one of the better thought out theories I've seen posted on BF.

Did you read the one about recumbents with 2 different sized wheels being fast because they're always going downhill? There's a guy who actually took that seriously.
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Everyone else has already said all there is to say about this--and more, so I shan't try to add anything.

Well, except that I'm thinking of developing a product that allows you to extract the air from your tires, clean and condition the air, and reinject it into your tires. My reasoning is, if I've gone for 1,000 miles without a flat, I must have good air, and I should take care of it.

I should do some marketing research by posting this idea in a new thread, actually.

How much would you pay for a bicycle air conditioner?
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I think the OP's theory is a bunch of hot air and he's just a gasbag waiting to explode, probaly due to a period of bad weather keeping him from riding.

Wasn't there a movie made about releasing pent up air, called something like "Waiting to Exhale?"
 
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Everyone knows that flats are caused by visits by the Flat Fairy(tm), who dispenses flats based on the pureness of your spirit. Those with unpure thoughts or who brag about their avoidance of flats, will surely be visited. Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are imaginary, but the Flat Fairy is real. I believe.
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Originally Posted by mcgreivey
Everyone else has already said all there is to say about this--and more, so I shan't try to add anything.

Well, except that I'm thinking of developing a product that allows you to extract the air from your tires, clean and condition the air, and reinject it into your tires. My reasoning is, if I've gone for 1,000 miles without a flat, I must have good air, and I should take care of it.

I should do some marketing research by posting this idea in a new thread, actually.

How much would you pay for a bicycle air conditioner?
I've been thinking about that too. It's already been established that we in the midwest are fortunate to have "good air" so reconditioning isn't necessary like it is in New Jersey or maybe Jacksonville. I'd be willing to ship a carton of midwest air to any BF poster who wants one (shipping and handling extra of course).
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Fine, be like that.
When you have a flat, don't say I didn't warn you.
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I am appalled at the poor spelling in your thread title. Surely it should be Flat tire Theory Fffffffft.
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I would counter this theory with one of my own.

It is all about pressure. High pressure as it relates to weather brings nice air and blue skies, while low pressure brings storms and dark skies.

By your own admission you must run your tires with low pressure and that is the cause for your tires to become flat or the total absence of pressure.

Seemingly the mere mention of never having a flat is enough to cause a low pressure situation as surely as a thorn which causes rapid pressure loss.

Maybe a study is in order to prove the link between low pressure and boasting about never having a flat.
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