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Old 08-06-04, 08:38 PM   #1
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Bike stealing fact: nobody cares

this is just sad

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wow just wow
ive been to all those places in the video too
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Ahahahaha the funniest part was when he rode away after cutting the chain with an electric grinder and he still had his ear protection and goggles on.
Sad but true, the cops don't even care unless it's convenient for them.
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That was interesting.
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my buddy has a friend who had her bike stolen within her vision. it was locked up on one side of pioneer square (portland, OR), and she was on the other side. apparently she saw a guy go up to her bike quickly, unlock it, drop the lock and ride away. she was completely blow away. apparently he had some kind of a "master key" or lock pick for a u-lock round key. she said it took him less than a second to remove the lock, so she wasn't even moving toward him(across the square) when he jumped on and rode away. she said their were no pry marks or anything on the u-lock.

i was taken aback. didnt think these locks were so easy to pick. either that or her story wasnt totally truthful....i dont know.
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I love the fact that the cops told him to get out of the street.

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Going going gone
Now I dialed 911 a long time ago
Don't you see how late they're reactin'
They only come and they come when they wanna
So get the morgue embalm the goner
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my buddy has a friend who had her bike stolen within her vision. it was locked up on one side of pioneer square (portland, OR), and she was on the other side. apparently she saw a guy go up to her bike quickly, unlock it, drop the lock and ride away. she was completely blow away. apparently he had some kind of a "master key" or lock pick for a u-lock round key. she said it took him less than a second to remove the lock, so she wasn't even moving toward him(across the square) when he jumped on and rode away. she said their were no pry marks or anything on the u-lock.

i was taken aback. didnt think these locks were so easy to pick. either that or her story wasnt totally truthful....i dont know.

That would be something to look into. Even if he did have a master key, where did he get it? I highly doubt that the companies are giving away their master keys.

I guess thats another good reason to lock your bike with two different locks. I use one kryptonite NY fahgettaboudit with the disc lock and another cable locked with a masterlock high security model.
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Ahahahaha the funniest part was when he rode away after cutting the chain with an electric grinder and he still had his ear protection and goggles on.
Sad but true, the cops don't even care unless it's convenient for them.
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What should all the bystanders do? It's the guys bike and he lost his lock key. Who's to prove otherwise? I know they're using their bike to try and prove a point, but it's idiotic. Let's say somebody confronts him, what should they do? Interrogate him about the bike? Yeah right. Go get a cop? Can the cop prove that it's his bike or if he's stealing it? No, he can't.
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Thank you for explaning the classic bystander effect. It's attitude like yours that percipitated an incident such as the murder of Kitty Genovese in 1964.

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Ok then, tell me what you would do. I'm taking a pair of bolt cutters to the chain around a bike and you see me. What would you do? I'm guessing you'll most would post that they'd try to stop the guy or question him or something along those lines, but I think the truth is that the internet gives folks alot of courage. I also think that if you really did the above in real like, when you get a "f$%^ you, get away from me or i'll beat your face in", you'll do as your told, because face it, even if he is stealing the bike, is it worth getting stabbed or shot over? No, it's not. If you see a woman being murdered on the street, is it worth getting shot or stabbed to try and save her? That's a personal decision everybody would have to make and I'm not asking you to tell me yours, just realize that before you start judging anyones attitude without ever knowing them or the sacrifices they've made, you're looking like an ass.

Comparing the stealing of a bicycle to the murder of someone... gg. It's not the same. Nor is the stealing of a car the same as a bicycle. You see somebody smash the window of a car and get in and drive away, then you get the tag number and call the police. You see a woman being beaten on the street, you either get in the fight immediately or you call the police. You see somebody cut the chain on a bicycle and ride away, call the NYPD and tell them you think a white guy wearing shorts and a white t shirt just stole a bicycle. Come on, what are they gonna do. What CAN they do. Even if they spot him around the block, there is no way to verify if it was his bike and he lost the key to it or if he stole it.
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vr6 find out what kind of lock it was. I'm a locksmith and i don't know of any padlocks that are master keyed from the factory.

seeing as I'm a locksmith though, I could easily walk by a lock look at the code on the lock, go to the shop (or my van) and cut a key that's just like the origional) and chances are he did something like this. of course i wouldn't do that since being honest pays better than not. but if someone wants to make a living out of it the resources are out there
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The key pattern is written on the outside of the lock?!?! WTF??? Next time I see one of those I'm grinding it off, I guess.

I don't think police see themselves as being in the business of preventing petty crime. Unless you call them they can choose to ignore it.

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vr6 find out what kind of lock it was. I'm a locksmith and i don't know of any padlocks that are master keyed from the factory.

seeing as I'm a locksmith though, I could easily walk by a lock look at the code on the lock, go to the shop (or my van) and cut a key that's just like the origional) and chances are he did something like this. of course i wouldn't do that since being honest pays better than not. but if someone wants to make a living out of it the resources are out there
Ya know, now that I think of it he's right. Of all the locks I've seen with a round key there was an imprinted code such as LX4 or SAA6 or something like that on the lock its self. I wonder why they do that? At least on my cable lock there no code imprinted on the lock. But that just means a bolt cutter would be used I guess.
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on a round lock, there is usally only one layer of pins, all in a circle...I bet it's mighty easy for an experienced locksmith to look at that pin arragement and already know the approximate grind they need to get it open...code or not.
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you can't look at a cylidrical lock and know what cuts to make on the key. but you can pick them. not in less than a second though.

As far as key codes go. yeah you'll see something like TM523 on a lock. But what does that mean to all of you? Probably not a lot. To a locksmith though, it does mean something. If you decide to grind them off... do yourself a favor and write it down somewhere and/or have plenty of extra keys made before you lose one. Otherwise you'll end up having to replace the lock.
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Ok then, tell me what you would do. I'm taking a pair of bolt cutters to the chain around a bike and you see me...
Your entire post shows your ignorance. Do us a favour and use google.
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I was just asking what your actions would be in a situation like that, but I guess that's useless. Since you are behind a computer screen with no real consequences of your answer, I'm sure you would be the hero of the day and run the cowardly bike thief away...
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As Alb said, there's pretty much nothing you can do except call the cops and hope they give half a damn.
If you live in NYC, you'd realize that some 10 year old KIDS are armed, I wouldn't lose my life and/or time over someone else's bike by nosing into the thief's business. I'd call the cops but beyond that, it's none of my business.
This isn't some town with a population of 250000 or less. The guy stealing the bike could very well be a junkie looking for his next quick fix(ie) (hawhaw pun intended) with nothing to lose. I don't know about you, but I have a lot more to lose.
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All of the key codes I've seen are on the key its self not the lock. This has come in handy when I wore out the keys to my car and there wern't enough teeth left for a good copy. Aren't barrel/round locks supposed to be much more pick resisant than normal straight key locks?

Write down the serial number of your bikes not that it will do a lot but if one is recovered it can be identified as yours and maybe some unique features like dents or chips or some aftermarket red middle chainring you put on it in case the serial gets erased.

try sniping a cobralinks armorded cable(the spining armor makes it hard to saw) or Abus extreme motorcycle chain lock
http://www.lockitt.com/chain2.htm
http://www.lockitt.com/cobralin.htm

Rockwell hardness of C65 (bolt-cutters usually are C59 to C60)
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round locks can be fairly easy to pick. it just depends on how well they are made. we have a coke machine in our shop that's insanely easy to pick. when you pick a lock you are exploting mechanical defects that are inherent to manufactering. the more precisely a lock is manufactured the harder it is to pick (generalization), and also the more expensive it will be. there are ways to make a lock unpickable though, but it wouldn't make sense to do on a bike lock.

there's always a way to defeat anything. it's really just buying you time. someone isn't going to want to sit there for a long time trying to defeat a lock. if they really want something on the bike they'll just cut the frame.

by putting a lock on a bike you're really just keeping honest people honest. they see the lock and keep going.

as far as key codes. it just depends on the manufacture. sometimes they wont print one on the key or the lock, sometimes there will be one on the lock. someone would really have to want whatever it is you had locked up to go get a key made though
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my buddy has a friend who had her bike stolen within her vision. it was locked up on one side of pioneer square (portland, OR), and she was on the other side. apparently she saw a guy go up to her bike quickly, unlock it, drop the lock and ride away. she was completely blow away. apparently he had some kind of a "master key" or lock pick for a u-lock round key. she said it took him less than a second to remove the lock, so she wasn't even moving toward him(across the square) when he jumped on and rode away. she said their were no pry marks or anything on the u-lock.

i was taken aback. didnt think these locks were so easy to pick. either that or her story wasnt totally truthful....i dont know.
The Kryptonite CV lock has been compromised long ago. The professionals have the universal key to open all your New York Chains with round key.
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What should all the bystanders do? It's the guys bike and he lost his lock key. Who's to prove otherwise? I know they're using their bike to try and prove a point, but it's idiotic. Let's say somebody confronts him, what should they do? Interrogate him about the bike? Yeah right. Go get a cop? Can the cop prove that it's his bike or if he's stealing it? No, he can't.
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I drove a 1977 chevy impala in houston for 4 months without a key. I kept a coat hanger under the door in the frame. I always opened the door with it and in all the many public places I did I never once had anyone stop me or ask. The ignition did not require a key because it was so worn out.

The craziest thing is that it was stolen in this 'no key required' state by smashing the window and then the ignition. It was recovered but I needed a new window - I wish the thiefs had just used my handy coat hanger and tried turning the ignition before smashing everything up.

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I drove a 1977 chevy impala in houston for 4 months without a key. I kept a coat hanger under the door in the frame. I always opened the door with it and in all the many public places I did I never once had anyone stop me or ask. The ignition did not require a key because it was so worn out.

The craziest thing is that it was stolen in this 'no key required' state by smashing the window and then the ignition. It was recovered but I needed a new window - I wish the thiefs had just used my handy coat hanger and tried turning the ignition before smashing everything up.

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