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Old 01-26-10, 04:30 PM   #1
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Seeking Info on Puncture Resistant Tires and Tubes

I had three flats today, and it was cold and damp. The last one was a blowout, and I was only a mile from home, so I walked it.

But I think I'm finally ready to spend more and carry the extra weight of puncture resistant tires and tubes.

I did some searches but didn't find a lot of info. What's the best strategy here (tires, tubes, both?), which products are best, and what kind of weight penalty am I talking about (700 x 23c)? 90% of my flats are on the rear tire, should I have a regular setup in the front?

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Lots of tires and tubes out there. One that I have been reading about lately is running tubeless tires. Several kits out there, and you run tire goo in them so if you get a hole the sealant stops the leak almost immediately. I haven't tried it yet as I always carry two spare tubes, patch kit, and CO2/tire pump, but if you are getting a lot of flats I'd check out the tubeless stuff. With the armored tires/tubes, etc, the ride is supposed to be changed and they weigh significantly more, but the tubeless setup is supposed to keep the nice ride and weight down.
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I had good luck with Armadillos in 700x23 but they weren’t the best rolling tire I have ever had. I now use ultra gatorskins. I have a friend that uses gatorskins and a protector strip but you start adding weight. Both tires worked well for me on glass and normal sharp objects but still a goat head can get to you. Slime works but will not keep all flats from happening and it is very messy when a flat does happen. I have never even tried tubeless because I don’t have rims for it.
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Racelite Hardcase--about $40 each at a Trek shop. It's worth it for the flats they save. I think I've had 4 flats on 5 sets.
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I had three flats today, and it was cold and damp. The last one was a blowout, and I was only a mile from home, so I walked it.
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The last one was due to pinching tube under bead. I like Panaracer Pasela TG foldable because they are light and have kevlar under the tread. They are also incredibly easy to remove and remount. I now have Continental Gatoraskins which are heavier but not like the Armadillos which feel as if they are made of lead. Slime is OK for MTB tires but wont hold the pressure of road tires.
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Armadillos are tough but my fav so far are Maxxis Re-Fuse tires. My LBS told me about these, they use them for their custom bikes. They have Kevlar plus something else and I commuted on these for two years in NYC without a single puncture. After two years they started peeling off from all the cuts they had in the outer layer. They looked like some maniac cut them up with a knife but no punctures! They're also grippy but not the lightest and best rolling.

http://www.maxxis.com/Bicycle/Road-T...g/Re-Fuse.aspx

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I strongly dislike hard-case tires. Ride poorly, fall apart easily if subjected to rough pavement, very poor grip on wet pavement, and I've had a fairly large (peanut sized,) dull rock punch clean through the tire. They're heavy too. Way over priced IMO.
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Thanks, guys. I just ordered some ultra gatorskins. Now, should I get thicker ("thorn resistant") tubes as well?
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I strongly dislike hard-case tires. Ride poorly, fall apart easily if subjected to rough pavement, very poor grip on wet pavement, and I've had a fairly large (peanut sized,) dull rock punch clean through the tire. They're heavy too. Way over priced IMO.
If you had a dull rock punch through the tire then they were not puncture proof tires. The only things that can puncture my tires are nails, large staples, metal shards. No rock or glass ever cut through any of my tires.

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Thanks, guys. I just ordered some ultra gatorskins. Now, should I get thicker ("thorn resistant") tubes as well?
I don't think so. Whatever can go through layers of composites and Kevlar belt will have little trouble puncturing any tube. You could add an extra layer of the slime tape inside the tire, or use self sealing tubes (good only for tiny holes) but that will add weight.

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I''ve been very happy with the Schwalbe Marathon double defense. Whatever the choice, I do think a puncture resistant tire is the best defense against flats. Anyway, that's the theory that has worked best for me for the past three years. Get a good tube, and a standard tube should be just fine. As heavy tubes go, though, the Pyramid Thorn Resistant tube is very good.

Needless to say, when all the research is in, your perfect tire may not be available in the size you want.
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What was causing your flats? You live in Northern CA, I don't remember thorns and thistles being a problem there or are they?

The best flat resistant tire I ever used was the Specialized Armadillo All Condition Pro, with these you don't have a need to use a flat liner or heavy thorn resistant tubes plus they have the strongest sidewall in the market to guard against damage. I use to live in Southern CA and goatheads were the big tire eaters there. Alternately you go with the Conti Gatorskin but you may find those just OK not superb.
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