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Old 02-24-10, 09:35 AM   #1
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It Happened on the way home...

Something of a non sequitur on the commute home from work this morning. Was coming up to a large intersection with cars lined up at the red light. Worked my way up in between cars in the right turn lane and those in the right hand lane of travel. Came to a stop at the white line and dismounted, standing waiting for the light to turn green. I did not touch any cars around me to my knowledge. Gave a look around to see what the cars around me were doing when the Camaro immediately to my left surges forward while riding the brakes coming to a stop about two feet forward, the seeming universal challenge to race. The light is still red, left turn arrow almost finished. I stand for another second not sure what to make of this when the driver opens his door and is obviously shouting something, the only thing I am able to make out is "F-ing *****". Once I decide he is not exiting his car toward me I hop on the bike and pedal normally through the intersection on the green light. The black Camaro hangs back momentarily only to pass me on the opposite side of the intersection honking his horn and swerving toward me.

I do not know the driver, did not do anything I would consider inflammatory, genuinely confused as to what caused that outburst. Rode the rest of the way home laughing at the absurdity and trying to come up with a likely scenario. Any thoughts or similar experiences?
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He's angry because he spent a bunch of money on a Camaro and still gets passed by a guy on a bike, or maybe he's pissed because he likes to think he's driving a sports car, but deep down he knows he's driving a "poor man's cool car" and that the Camaro is really just a sports compact.
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Some people just resent lane splitting. I think it's illegal everywhere but California, by the way. Don't you get pissed when you see someone breaking traffic law? Many of us do. On this forum it tends to be different laws that raise our ire though.
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Worked your way between cars? Just what does that mean, was there plenty of room, or did you squueze between cars? Maybe you made him nervous that you were going to hit his new car. I feel the same way a motorcyclist works his way through tight spots swerving andn leaning his bikeside to side while nearly taking off my mirror.

I've seen so many cyclist squeeze through tight spots between cars. I myself stay back for my own safety. I can see myself placing myself in a pinch point then balming the driver when something goes wrong. That's a genreal rule of safety when it comes to life, don't place yourself where you shouldn't be!

If you did squeeze through, forget about the driver, you're bound to get hurt sooner or later.


"I did not touch any cars around me to my knowledge" does not sound very convincing and leads me to believe you were close enough to doubt it.
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X2. I dont even like people on bikes that cant obey laws. I use the horn a lot, too. A whole pack of cyclists once thought they owned the road, NY law I do believe states single file when there is traffic. They got a horn and a close passing, and I was in the oncoming lane!

CAR OWNERS pay taxes on roads, us cyclists get to use roads. Lets not take more than we paid for (nothing). Without cars, roads would still be rough dirt trails, meaning roadies wouldnt exist...think about it. Some car owners are idiots though, and Camaro owners are generally more so idiots, because We all know firebirds are better, even if Pontiac no longer exists
Wow. There is so much wrong with this post, I'm trying to decide if it's irony, an attempted trolling, or just honest ignorance.

So, which is it?
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Worked my way up in between cars in the right turn lane and those in the right hand lane of travel. Came to a stop at the white line and dismounted, standing waiting for the light to turn green.
In most if not all states a bicycle is considered a vehicle, meaning a cyclist is supposed to obey the same traffic laws as a motorist. If you were in a car or on a motorcycle would you work your way to the front? NO. Wait your turn at an intersection just as if you were in a car.
When I was bike commuting I saw this guy who lived in my neighborhood do what you describe when we were both about a mile from our subdivision. I waited my turn and watched as the motorists he "passed" honk and yell at him. He never understood why they did that. I tried explaining it to him one afternoon but he just couldn't or wouldn't understand.
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X2. I dont even like people on bikes that cant obey laws. I use the horn a lot, too. A whole pack of cyclists once thought they owned the road, NY law I do believe states single file when there is traffic. They got a horn and a close passing, and I was in the oncoming lane...

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+1. A cyclist plays chicken with cyclists to 'teach them a lesson'?!? How about wagging your finger next time instead of putting others at risk to make a point? They did something questionable, so you did something definitely dangerous and wrong to prove...?
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... Without cars, roads would still be rough dirt trails, meaning roadies wouldnt exist...think about it.
Definitely a troll. nymtber should google up who lobbied for the nation's first paved roads. Hint: It wasn't car drivers.
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CAR OWNERS pay taxes on roads, us cyclists get to use roads. Lets not take more than we paid for (nothing). Without cars, roads would still be rough dirt trails, meaning roadies wouldnt exist...think about it.
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X2. I dont even like people on bikes that cant obey laws. I use the horn a lot, too. A whole pack of cyclists once thought they owned the road, NY law I do believe states single file when there is traffic. They got a horn and a close passing, and I was in the oncoming lane!

CAR OWNERS pay taxes on roads, us cyclists get to use roads. Lets not take more than we paid for (nothing). Without cars, roads would still be rough dirt trails, meaning roadies wouldnt exist...think about it. Some car owners are idiots though, and Camaro owners are generally more so idiots, because We all know firebirds are better, even if Pontiac no longer exists
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Oh no you didn't!
Oh, YES HE DID!

nymtber, you can do EXACTLY what the rest of us do -- get on the NY gov't websites and FIND OUT! Stop guessing and LEARN, SO YOU KNOW!

While we're at it, you have SOOOO many things wrong here:

1. CAR OWNERS don't pay for the roads -- EVERY-F'N-BODY DOES! Road maintenance costs come from the general tax funds at all levels of gov't.

2. Roads would NOT be dirt paths if it wasn't for cars -- the predecessor to the League of American Bicyclists (League of American Wheelmen) were the ones who lobbied for paved roads, because horse-drawn carriages were making deep ruts in the dirt, causing fallover accidents.

3. I'm sure glad -- and you should be, too -- that we weren't BOTH present when you close-passed with blaring horn; I tend to 'get a little agitated' at things like that, and I let people know it. It was all I could do, in fact, to NOT spoil the Ride of Silence last year when some idiot bi+ch in a Cadillac blared and hollered at us on the route.

I suggest you study, research, learn, and KNOW whereof you speak -- then none of us have to 'think about it'.
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2. the predecessor to the League of American Bicyclists (League of American Wheelmen) were the ones who lobbied for paved roads, because horse-drawn carriages were making deep ruts in the dirt, causing fallover accidents.
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LAW wasn't the predecessor to the LAB - it's the same organization with a different name, which was changed in 1994. http://www.bikeleague.org/about/index.php
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Thanks, DX-MAN. I wasn't aware of the Ride of Silence. I'm going to look into it down here and organize one if it's not already started.
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I have had drivers do stuff like the OP describes. Once in downtown Atlanta traffic I had some guy screaming at me cause I passed him on the left cuz he had made passing him on the right impossible because he was so close to the curb.

The weirdest incident like this occurred in Cades Cove in the Smokey Mnt. N.P. This is a scenic loop that can get really jammed with cars when the bears or such are showing off. Had a Winnebago try to block me from passing him on the right and the guy started blowing his horn when I got around him.

Sheesh it 's not your fault the're not going anywhere fast...
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I have had drivers do stuff like the OP describes.
You get that kind of irrational rage against other car drivers too. One time I had a guy start honking and shouting at me when I stopped before entering an intersection since it was already jammed with stopped traffic so there was nowhere to go. He then jumped out of his car and started pounding on my window and roof with his fist. Ironically, when the traffic did eventually clear he wasn't able to get back in his car before the light changed to red.
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forget it. I hate dealing with small minded jerks.

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Something of a non sequitur on the commute home from work ...
Some jerks just feel the need to prove that they are, in fact, jerks.

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X2. I dont even like people on bikes that cant obey laws. I use the horn a lot, too. A whole pack of cyclists once thought they owned the road, NY law I do believe states single file when there is traffic. They got a horn and a close passing, and I was in the oncoming lane!
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CAR OWNERS pay taxes on roads, us cyclists get to use roads. Lets not take more than we paid for (nothing). Without cars, roads would still be rough dirt trails, meaning roadies wouldnt exist ...
Wrong. You have no clue where your tax money goes, nor how roads are funded.

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A bicyclist or an in-line skater may move further left to avoid hazards such as parked cars or debris, or to turn left but the bicyclist and in-line skater must avoid undue interference with other traffic.
" ... must avoid undue interference ... " That means there will be situations where you, as a motorist, must yield to cyclists. That does not mean you own the road just because you have a DL and a motor.

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1. Car owners pay for registration, gas tax, inspection (which the inspecting dealer/mechanic makes NOTHING off), which all help pay for roads.
Well boo-freakin'-hoo. Cry me a river.
The vast majority of cyclists are car owners who pay all the same taxes, fees and costs as all other motor vehicle owners. All motor vehicle owners decide they want to pay these costs for the privilege of driving.

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3. I was in the legal right, not the cyclists.
Debatable, but it seems to justify driving like a jerk in your own mind.

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And, what exactly are you going do on a bike when your in a cars way when the law states the cyclist needs to avoid being in the way of other traffic (ie: cars)???
" ... must avoid undue interference ... " That means that there will be situations and times when the motorist will slow down and wait, as required by NYS law.

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Next time Ill grab my cell phone, pull over (to be legal) set the e-brake (I drive a standard) and call 911 and let them know there are 10 easy tickets out on whatever road I am on.
Good, you do that. I'd much rather speak to a LEO than deal with someone who is feeling self-righteous and who has no idea what they're talking about.

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I knew the laws, I wasn't doubting myself in my first post. I didn't know them word for word, but I knew that bikes must NOT interfere with traffic, in NEW YORK.
I've spoken with motorists several times who thought they knew a traffic law, then had no idea what Chapter 316 is when I quote them the law.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/...EChapter%20316

You did the exact same thing in making an assertion, then looking up the law and trying to twist it to back your position.

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1. Car owners pay for registration, gas tax, inspection (which the inspecting dealer/mechanic makes NOTHING off), which all help pay for roads.
Hey, rocket surgeon, did it ever occur to you that most cyclists also own and operate motor vehicles - or did you think you were the only one? Go back to joisey, pal.
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"1. Car owners pay for registration, gas tax, inspection (which the inspecting dealer/mechanic makes NOTHING off), which all help pay for roads."

I don't know about you but I own a car and a bike and I pay the same taxes as does every car owner. I think at this point it is my choice how I wish to travel on my roads...
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X2. I dont even like people on bikes that cant obey laws. I use the horn a lot, too ...
Now the-ere's an oxymoron.

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1. (a) Every motor vehicle, operated or driven upon the public highways of the state, shall be provided with adequate brakes and steering mechanism in good working order and sufficient to control such vehicle at all times when the same is in use, and a suitable and adequate horn or other device for signaling, which horn or device shall produce a sound sufficiently loud to serve as a danger warning but shall not be used other than as a reasonable warning nor be unnecessarily loud or harsh.
Apparently under NYS law it is not legal to use your vehicle's horn just because you feel like throwing a temper tantrum. I don't know of any states that do not have a similar statute.

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If there is a usable bicycle or in-line skating lane, the bicyclist and in-line skater must use it [Section 1234(a), NYS Vehicle & Traffic Law]. If there is no lane or it is unusable due to parked cars or other hazards, the bicyclist may ride and the in-line skater may glide either on the right shoulder, or near the right edge or curb of the roadway. A bicyclist or an in-line skater may move further left to avoid hazards such as parked cars or debris, or to turn left but the bicyclist and in-line skater must avoid undue interference with other traffic.


May bicyclists ride and in-line skaters skate side-by-side on a roadway?

Yes. They may ride two abreast on roadways, but they must ride or skate single file when being overtaken by other vehicles. Bicyclists and in-line skaters may only travel more than two abreast on a shoulder, lane or path intended for bicycling and skating use if there is sufficient space. However, they must be single file when passing vehicles, pedestrians and other bicyclists or in-line skaters. [Section 1234(b), NYS Vehicle & Traffic Law.]


Both of the above came off the NYS DMV, for those who doubted my knowledge of DMV law (I took drivers ed, I paid attention, too...we learned the bicycle laws)

The road wasn't closed, there were no road patrol escorts. My car had the right of way but instead I had to pass in the other lane, because they took up the WHOLE LANE. I move as far to right (as per my states LAW) as I can. By close pass I mean about 2 feet, which is closer than I like, but I was left without much room, and they were being ignorant ******...another reason I still prefer mountain bikers to road bikers. NONE of them were single file, and were breaking NYS law.

1. Car owners pay for registration, gas tax, inspection (which the inspecting dealer/mechanic makes NOTHING off), which all help pay for roads. Roads would be impassable in winter (with snow) without heavy equipment (I took no cars to mean no other IC engines)

2. Even with "paved roads" they wouldn't be very smooth. No machinery...no smooth paved roads, and upkeep would be likely little. No skinny tires. Early bikes were more of the balloon tire types.

3. I was in the legal right, not the cyclists. And, what exactly are you going do on a bike when your in a cars way when the law states the cyclist needs to avoid being in the way of other traffic (ie: cars)??? I wasn't the one breaking the law. Next time Ill grab my cell phone, pull over (to be legal) set the e-brake (I drive a standard) and call 911 and let them know there are 10 easy tickets out on whatever road I am on. Then the cops will have donut money to sit in their RUNNING crown victoria's and eat away more of the planet. Just to make you happy

I knew the laws, I wasn't doubting myself in my first post. I didn't know them word for word, but I knew that bikes must NOT interfere with traffic, in NEW YORK. You just took the saying of "assume" and made it fit you, to a T.

Have a nice day, and make sure the car your blocking in NY doesn't know the laws and have a cell phone.
I'm very familiar with Section 1234....

Um.... you missed the part of the law that says the cyclist is allowed to take a full line, and a group can ride two abreast, if the road safety is questionable or the line width is substandard to allow for safe passing which in reality in majority of situations allows cyclists to take a full line in NYC since most roads have cars parked along the edge, bad surface, debris and substandard lane width.

I take full line every day in NYC and if the drivers don't like it they can honk and yell all they want, they can pass me if there is another lane available, if not they need to wait patiently until I determine it's safe for me to move closer to the edge of the street. It's up to the cyclist to decide whether or not to take the line depending on their assessment of the situation. So yeah, call 911 next time to make a complete idiot out of yourself. In NYC a cyclist will win the full line argument most of the time due to poor roads quality, all I need to point out is pedestrians waving for taxis, road plates, debris, parked cars. These are all perfectly legal reason for a cyclist in NYC to take a full line.

If you pass me too close while honking you will get a piece of my mind at the next light and any aggression on your part will result in 911 call. BTW, honking just to show your dislike is illegal in NYC.

So yeah, if you're gonna quote something, understand what you're quoting first. Because you don't know the laws. You think you do. Always wrong but never in doubt, eh?

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I own a car by the way, LOL



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this is going to be a popular thread.

I had this happen to me by a prius and I could only think that he was pissed I was using less gas than him ... :-)
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forget it. I hate dealing with small minded jerks.
Me too. Even more so when they're piloting 2 ton 300 horsepower machines!
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Old 02-25-10, 11:55 AM   #25
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forget it. I hate dealing with small minded jerks.
Aww, ma-an. Now what am I going to do on a day off work while I sit around waiting on the plumber?
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