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Old 03-13-10, 01:09 PM   #26
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I love all the posts about using an Airzound or passing unnecessarily closely to scare the runner. Just don't whine when your karma catches up with you (and it will). Blasting horns and passing too close are tactics that are most commonly used by motorists to attempt to scare bicyclists.

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Yeah, where do you think they got the idea from! Haha.
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Old 03-13-10, 03:01 PM   #28
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Yeah, where do you think they got the idea from! Haha.
So you're telling me that not only are they lacking in ethics but they are also lacking in originality.
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I'm usually happy in DC if they are actually running with the flow of traffic!

I would just go around in the regular traffic lane myself. There's a lot of other issues with commuting - I wouldn't waste energy on this one.
+1. I find that 90% of the time they're running against traffic.
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Old 03-13-10, 05:24 PM   #30
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So you're telling me that not only are they lacking in ethics but they are also lacking in originality.
Possibly, but you know, i'm not one to point fingers here. I think there is another proverb about that one.
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For your intents and purposes, how is a runner different from a slow cyclist? Just treat him as such. Real simple.

Funny, how cyclists get all offended (rightly so) when drivers insist that they get off the road and/or use a door zone bike lane or a shoulder full of debris and potholes. Yet when a runner chooses not to use the sidewalk (presumably because it is dangerous and/or inconvenient to him, same way a bad bike lane is for a cyclist), the Bike Forum folks suggest the very forms of aggression they encounter from motorists. How ironic. (No, I don't run, and I don't have any connection to any running community.)
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Be fair now guys; most of the honk and pass close post appear to be in jest. Some of you guys just have NO sense of Humor.
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Running WITH THE FLOW what an odd bird.
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Running counter-flow is traditional, but I'm not convinced that it's safer. Back in my road running days every close encounter that I had was with right turning motorists who didn't look in the direction I was coming from. Whether you're on a bicycle or running, if you're going counter-flow, you are approaching every intersection, parking lot exit and driveway from an unexpected direction.
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I don't think that battle is worth spending the ammo. Live and let live; like retro says the runner may feel safer that way. Running against traffic presupposes the pedestrian will get off the roadway for every car; and with all the cars out there these days, that's not practical.
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You should have yelled "get on the f*ing sidewall ahole!!". I know it makes me feel good when I hear it from motorists.
Yeah kind of gives me the warm and fuzzies all over to, just to know someone is actually aware I'm alive is comforting.
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Shared bike paths/jogging paths seem pretty common down here--on the Navy base the paths abut the road for some distance, then drop off to the side for a bit. The river levees are also shared, but they're off the traffic roads.

The iPod/headphones thing is problematic for mixing cycles and joggers--it's somewhat easy (and less startling for another runner to pass a runner, but a fast moving bike can startle them, possibly making them do something erratic.

Not sure what the solution is--I never ride with one, and I never used one when I used to run--for pretty much the reasons above. Doesn't do much good to chime a bell or yell "on your left" if they're zoned in a book or tune.
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Be fair now guys; most of the honk and pass close post appear to be in jest.
Some clearly were, but not all, I think. I've seen some very real animosity between joggers and cyclists in real world and read enough rants by both...
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