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McStuff 03-08-10 08:40 PM

Runner in the bike lane...going with traffic
 
So the other day, I was riding at night and I encountered a runner in the bike lane. He didn't have any reflective clothing, so he was somewhat hard to spot. Anyway, he was in the bike lane, and going with traffic. I didn't know what to do, so I looked back for cars and passed into a traffic lane around him and went back into the bike lane. Is this the proper thing to do? Should I have a bell/horn to warn him that I'm about to pass?

monk 03-08-10 09:18 PM

Sure. What else is there to do? I would have also said "on your left" as you would say when passing another cyclist. You could say something to him (politely) as you pass but frankly I don't think I'd bother . . .

Joe_Mo 03-08-10 09:28 PM

Can anyone explain to me why runners are in the bike lane period?

DieselDan 03-08-10 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe_Mo (Post 10499167)
Can anyone explain to me why runners are in the bike lane period?

Supposedly, running on asphalt is easier on the body then concrete. You can get ticketed in South Carolina for running, walking, or driving in a lane marked "bike only".

electrik 03-08-10 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe_Mo (Post 10499167)
Can anyone explain to me why runners are in the bike lane period?

Because when they aren't obliviously driving their cars that is how they stay on top of making life hard for cyclists.

Crank that iPod so you can't hear squat and run in the bike lane.

DX-MAN 03-08-10 10:42 PM

Buzz 'em, with a loud and boisterous "ON YOUR LEFT!" a foot behind them.

Maybe one time you'll get what I got one day on a downtown errand -- some crackhead ho called me "bi+ch." I laughed for three blocks.

McStuff 03-08-10 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DX-MAN (Post 10499489)
Buzz 'em, with a loud and boisterous "ON YOUR LEFT!" a foot behind them.

Maybe one time you'll get what I got one day on a downtown errand -- some crackhead ho called me "bi+ch." I laughed for three blocks.

I have a sneaking suspicion that this suggestion is facetious. Either that, or intended to piss the runner off as much as possible.

Machka 03-09-10 02:02 AM

Because bicycles are vehicles of the road, they belong in the so-called "traffic lane". Feel free to ride there.

bruce19 03-09-10 05:07 AM

Bicycle lanes suck and this is just one more reason.

TurbineBlade 03-09-10 05:52 AM

I'm usually happy in DC if they are actually running with the flow of traffic!

I would just go around in the regular traffic lane myself. There's a lot of other issues with commuting - I wouldn't waste energy on this one.

GriddleCakes 03-09-10 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by McStuff (Post 10498911)
Should I have a bell/horn to warn him that I'm about to pass?

Yes. Just because the runner is being inconsiderate and dangerous doesn't mean that you have to as well. Audible warning when passing peds or other cyclists is just polite. Bells are actually required equipment for any bike riding on sidewalks/MUPs/roads in Anchorage.

And yes, I know that most runners these days can't hear bells anyway because they almost all wear headphones. You do what you can.

AdamDZ 03-09-10 06:25 PM

1) Get AirZound
2) When encounter a runner in a bike like approach quietly until about 3 feet away
3) Press the AirZound's trigger for at least a full second
4) (Optional) prepare for impact.

Or... just ring a bell :D

A.

knobster 03-09-10 07:03 PM

You should have yelled "get on the f*ing sidewall ahole!!". I know it makes me feel good when I hear it from motorists. :)

electrik 03-09-10 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AdamDZ (Post 10503422)
1) Get AirZound
2) When encounter a runner in a bike like approach quietly until about 3 feet away
3) Press the AirZound's trigger for at least a full second
4) (Optional) prepare for impact.

Or... just ring a bell :D

A.

The Runners(heck even basic peds) here rarely react to the diminutive bicycle bell(iPod cranked up)... air zound might be overkill... but could provide comic relief when used in the short range.

Personally I just ring the bell until i see them acknowledge me. If i end about a few feet away, then i'll shout "on your left" or "coming through" - i'm tempted to shout "LOOKKK OUTT!" but they might trip and fall over themselves.

I often do have to use the roadway(when traffic is light) since many joggers are just stuck up and won't share the bicycle lane with cyclists even after acknowledging your presence. If i recognize a jogger who refuses to share then i'll give them a good surprise.

CB HI 03-09-10 07:34 PM

Just take the lane and pass them. If they are going to run on the road and refuse to legally/properly step off for oncoming traffic, I prefer they run with traffic - it makes passing easier and safer.

Your runner is better than the chiropractor, race walker here. While riding home from work at 4 am, on a six lane road, I saw a blinky ahead in the center lane of my side of the road. Sure enough, it was the race walker. This guy is just weird, but at least he used a blinky.

AdamDZ 03-09-10 08:42 PM

Seriously. AirZound is useless in traffic, with all the honking going on, it's just one more noise. But I used it on some dumbass skaters and peds. I always ring my bell first, long and hard and if I get no reaction (very rare) then I blow my horn, that always works. if he gives me grief I just say "I did use a bell first but you decided to ignore me". They usually STFU or even say "I'm sorry" which is dangerous because I nearly fell of my bike when that happened first.

That reminds me....

One morning while passing Williamsburg Bridge a brain-dead hipster with a couple of those restarted bony hipster chicks was amusing himself and the chicks, I guess, by pulling his pants and showing his miserable skinny ass to the people on passing subway train (the bridge caries trains, cars and has a shared pathway that runs close to the trains for a while, separated by railing). The chicks were laughing and jumping in the middle of the pathway. I rang the bell long and hard, no reaction, I had to stop, I couldn't pass. So I blew my horn for several seconds. I think they were tripping on some sh*t because they reacted as if someone poured buckets of ice cold water on them: they just started running in random directions, one chick hit the rail and the idiot dropped his pants and tripped over them, I was laughing so freaking hard I had tears in my eyes. He was like "WTF dude". I said "you're bunch of ******** idiots, who are trying to impress? Those two skinny monstrosities here, get a ****ing life, punk". I was so pissed at first but the outcome was hysterical, I wish I had a video camera on my helmet. I know I was mean but I can't believe how ****tarded people can be.

Adam

DX-MAN 03-09-10 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DX-MAN (Post 10499489)
Buzz 'em, with a loud and boisterous "ON YOUR LEFT!" a foot behind them.

Maybe one time you'll get what I got one day on a downtown errand -- some crackhead ho called me "bi+ch." I laughed for three blocks.

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Originally Posted by McStuff (Post 10499552)
I have a sneaking suspicion that this suggestion is facetious. Either that, or intended to piss the runner off as much as possible.

Part 1 is a little bit exaggerated for effect, but the idea is there. BTW, this happens more often than I care to count on the local MUP, cuz of headphones.

Part 2 is a fond memory that I still chuckle over, six years later.

McStuff 03-09-10 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamDZ (Post 10503422)
1) Get AirZound
2) When encounter a runner in a bike like approach quietly until about 3 feet away
3) Press the AirZound's trigger for at least a full second
4) (Optional) prepare for impact.

Or... just ring a bell :D

A.

I'm sure to make a lot of friends with the first method :p I need to go to home depot to pick me up a reflective jacket and to the LBS to get a bell for my bike. Maybe I'll get an airzound some day. And who knows? I might actually commute by bike some day.

Also, on the subject of riding in traffic lanes, I'm not sure if I'd be comfortable with that. The roads near my house as nearly all 45-50mph zones, so I don't think it'd be a great idea. Plus, there are bikes lanes/routes everywhere I've needed to be.

CbadRider 03-09-10 10:22 PM

I ride on a highway near the beach that has no sidewalks so I get pedestrians in the bike lane all the time. "On your left" works about 50% of the time and they will move over. The ones who don't move over usually have headphones on and get startled when you pass them.

I have to say the worst offenders are families on the weekend who take Grandma to the beach and walk three or four across in the bike lane so that you have no choice but to go into the traffic lane around them.

McStuff 03-09-10 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CbadRider (Post 10504604)
I ride on a highway near the beach that has no sidewalks so I get pedestrians in the bike lane all the time. "On your left" works about 50% of the time and they will move over. The ones who don't move over usually have headphones on and get startled when you pass them.

I have to say the worst offenders are families on the weekend who take Grandma to the beach and walk three or four across in the bike lane so that you have no choice but to go into the traffic lane around them.

You must have some pretty spacious bike lanes over there if you can fit three or four across in one.

McStuff 03-10-10 10:48 PM

I finally got a reflective jacket for riding. It'll come in handy when I have to bike to work fri and sat.

Jeff Wills 03-12-10 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamDZ (Post 10503422)
1) Get AirZound
2) When encounter a runner in a bike like approach quietly until about 3 feet away
3) Press the AirZound's trigger for at least a full second
4) (Optional) prepare for impact.

Or... just ring a bell :D

A.

Been there, done that. Mr. Walker was wandering down the center of the bike path, not really leaving room on either side to pass (narrow path, sand on both sides). My buddy rang his bell, rang it again, and then a third time with no effect. He finally hit his Airzound.

....


Pretty good hang time, I must say.

CbadRider 03-12-10 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by McStuff (Post 10504704)
You must have some pretty spacious bike lanes over there if you can fit three or four across in one.

They are standard size. The people tend to take up the entire lane and extend into the traffic lanes, which makes it even more fun to pass them.

stapfam 03-13-10 04:31 AM

Just slow down and politely ask him which side he wants the tyre marks. Won't work if he is plugged in but a bar end the in the side as you go past won't go amiss either.

Nermal 03-13-10 12:51 PM

Serious question, because I've often wondered - doesn't the bar end in the short ribs affect steering?


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