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    Condo bike storage trouble

    Hey guys,

    I'm in the process of finding a new place and at a unit I looked at today, I heard that there is essentially no realistic way for me to safely store my bicycle. Basically there is an unofficial policy of no bikes in the lobby or elevator. I don't mind not being able ot use the front door, but obviously I need the elevator to bring my bike up to my place. The thing is, the back door is a) locked for some reason and b) the room labeled "Bike storage" is in fact just the locker room where you get a dinky little caged-in area to stuff your crap. not nearly large enough for a bike.

    i'm going to be up front with some other landlords that i'm interested in renting with, as they seem like really nice, reasonable people. i think the main issue is the building management.

    quite simply i insist on storing my bike in my unit. my daily ride is worth more than the rent on the place. if i rode a $50 beater mountain bike, i honestly wouldn't mind, but my bike is the nearly the single most expensive item i own.

    what do you guys think i should do? should i just go in with a don't-ask-don't-tell policy? i mean, i'm sure there are tenants who own $5000+ road bikes, but obviosuly they're not transporting it up and down each day. I think that's the main issue they have with it: i may accidentally damage elements of the building. Honestly I think if I was that stupid, my bike would be the thing getting damaged, but you know how people are.

    Any advice?

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    Find a different place.

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    Do what I do at work. Use the freight elevator. I'm sure they have one so that people can move in and out.

    That said, make sure you check up front that you can get unfettered access.

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    You never want management against you even when it's a non-issue for the landlord.

    Go elsewhere, and tell the landlord why. The are plenty of apartments in the TO sky.
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    I had a similar problem. Just find a place thats tolerant,unless you want to move twice when they catch you. It was explained to me where im at now that i had to wipe my bike if wet/dirty including tires before i bring it in. Know problem for me i just carry a small rag,i dont want crap on my floors either. No fun living in building where you have to sneak around.

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    Accessibility for my bike is a deal-breaker; I don't have a second's remorse about cutting someone off my list for failing there. Anything less would be someone else imposing their values on my life -- not gonna happen until they are supporting me!

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    The thing is, most condos around here have this unofficial rule against bicycles; generally such rules (against bikes, pets, etc.) are illegal under the Condo Act here, I believe, but it doesn't prevent them from trying to chase tenants with legal fees and whatnot.

    Does anyone in Toronto know of a downtown condo with either a) lenient policies or b) actual genuine, secure bike storage facilities?
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    Can you find a ground floor apartment?

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    Hi. Living here in a south florida(miami) Condo and being on the BOD(board of directors) AND A Bicycle owner, I can tell you this:

    1) For Starters, there is no such thing as an "unofficial law" banning bikes in the elevators. Do they ban wheelchairs?? If its an enforceable Law, it will be in the Rules and Regs and/or in the Condo Docs which govern every Condo issue. Whether its this Condo or any other future condo you go to and they tell you this, ask them for a Copy of the Rules/Regs or the Condo Docs clearly identifying the law prohibiting bikes in the Elevator or whatever else they claim is a law about anything condo related. I transport my Bike up and down at least once daily in our elevators. I am careful not to bump the elevator walls, doors ect as not to give anyone reason to complain. What your potential condo board is concerned about are a bunch of teenagers putting their bikes in the elevator and damaging the unit in all probability. This is understandable as elevator repair and maintenence is VERY Costly. The moving doors especially and these seem to be damaged the most. Since I am on the board, I also have access to the 1st floor Garbage Room where our dumpsters are located and at times I chain my bike up in this room, which is locked and secured. Many times there are utility rooms, electrical rooms on the ground floor as well as on the other floors. Try and talk with a board member and explain your situation. Maybe even offer to take responsability for maintaining the cleanliness of one of these small rooms(or some other area of the condo building) in exchange for the storage of your expensive bike. They be amenable to such an offer, I know as a board member I would be. Go in with the "Jar of Honey" approach and don't be confrontational as they will shoot you down from the Get-Go. Another idea, you may offer a board member, in exchange for bike storage, you could from time to time go to the hardware store for needed supplies or even Police the Grounds for discarded cans or bottles on a weekly or on a as needed basis. I know as a Director, if somone approached me with these offers, I would seriously consider it. Good Luck and remember, not all condo boards are the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miamimike View Post
    Hi. Living here in a south florida(miami) Condo and being on the BOD(board of directors) AND A Bicycle owner, I can tell you this:

    1) For Starters, there is no such thing as an "unofficial law" banning bikes in the elevators. Do they ban wheelchairs?? If its an enforceable Law, it will be in the Rules and Regs and/or in the Condo Docs which govern every Condo issue. Whether its this Condo or any other future condo you go to and they tell you this, ask them for a Copy of the Rules/Regs or the Condo Docs clearly identifying the law prohibiting bikes in the Elevator or whatever else they claim is a law about anything condo related. I transport my Bike up and down at least once daily in our elevators. I am careful not to bump the elevator walls, doors ect as not to give anyone reason to complain. What your potential condo board is concerned about are a bunch of teenagers putting their bikes in the elevator and damaging the unit in all probability. This is understandable as elevator repair and maintenence is VERY Costly. The moving doors especially and these seem to be damaged the most. Since I am on the board, I also have access to the 1st floor Garbage Room where our dumpsters are located and at times I chain my bike up in this room, which is locked and secured. Many times there are utility rooms, electrical rooms on the ground floor as well as on the other floors. Try and talk with a board member and explain your situation. Maybe even offer to take responsability for maintaining the cleanliness of one of these small rooms(or some other area of the condo building) in exchange for the storage of your expensive bike. They be amenable to such an offer, I know as a board member I would be. Go in with the "Jar of Honey" approach and don't be confrontational as they will shoot you down from the Get-Go. Another idea, you may offer a board member, in exchange for bike storage, you could from time to time go to the hardware store for needed supplies or even Police the Grounds for discarded cans or bottles on a weekly or on a as needed basis. I know as a Director, if somone approached me with these offers, I would seriously consider it. Good Luck and remember, not all condo boards are the same.
    Awesome. Thanks for the advice, Miami Mike. This is a new condo so unfortunately there is no board yet (I know they tried to have a meeting on Monday but not enough people showed up so nothing precipitated) so at that point I suppose that there is literally no official or unofficial ruling on anything as of now, and no one to discuss/enforce it. I suppose until they do raise it as an issue with me, it'll be fine, and once they do, I'll definitely try to be as amiable as possible.

    But I will definitely see if I can get a list of official condo rules/regs, as I am viewing a few more units tomorrow.

    Thanks!

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    In all probability, they(association) have already adopted their Rules & Regs as well as their Condo Docs if the Building has been turned over by the Developer. . I would be very surprised if they have not. Later with a membership vote, they can amend these rules as needed. As we have a lot of Condos in our Miami Area, I see some old Board members trying to BS the Newbies with these "UN-Official Rules". Happens a lot, as they are under the mindset(and wrong as well) that since they have owned a Unit longer then other newcomers, that they have more rights in the Building. This is simply not true, the Owner who has owned his unit for a Day only has as much of a Right(s) as the Oldtime Owners. On Rules, Bottom line if they are taken to Court over rules, only those which are in writing count in the Court of Law. A Good example in our Building, the Old Board members posted signs illegally on the Laundry Room Doors stating that Washers&Dryers could be used only between the hours of 8 am to 11pm. I researched the Rules and found out no such law exists so the signs had to be removed and we utilize them 24/7 now. Its better for us financially as we collect money 24/7, as we charge $1.00 for washer-dryer use per cycle. We are taking in 33% more money from our machines so these old timers with their BS rules were actually costing us money. Trouble is many in Condos are not aware of what Rights they have by law and even if they have the rules, they don't read them. But since no one Group is in power yet in your prospective Building , this could work to your advantage if you play your cardsright. Good Luck
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    Well, I'm not going to be owning this condo. I will be a tenant. I'm not sure what rights I have in that respect. The owners, however, have no problem with me owning a bike. But obviously they're not going to be fighting my battles for me.

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    I'd ask to see what the bylaws say about this. I bought a condo after making it clear I wasn't going to buy the unit if I couldn't legally have a pet and wanted indoor parking for my motorcycle. Both were OK, and they were fine with my using the elevator to bring my bike upstairs when needed. Get to know the building super if you do move in, and he'll let you know what's acceptable or not - he'll get the complaints if there are any and being able to say the super said it was ok should reduce whatever problems you may have. My owners association offered me the use of the boiler room for parking in exchange for being on the board, maybe you could work out a deal of your own.

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    I'm gonna be viewing a couple places again tonight, with the owners. It will be in the evening but I'll definitely try to make sure everyone's A-OK with it. I'll also try to offer some concessions if they're not alright with it, or offer to deal with any complaints on my own, etc.

    I've heard lots of people telling me not to bother, but it can't hurt to try. I really want a nice place!

    Thanks for the advice guys.

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    In places like these, and I have lived in some, people think they are better then others because they own their unit and you rent yours, and you are to be sub-servant to their every whim. Kind of a sick form or class warfare that continued discussion will get this moved to P&R...
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    So I viewed the places again.

    I like both places a lot. But I need some advice!

    Bangin' Bachelor Pad A:
    http://s12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...aisle3/Murano/

    The good:
    Probable guarantee of in-suite bike storage
    50 more sq. ft.
    Far more storage space

    The bad:
    Terrible view (essentially the Toronto Police Headquarters building)
    As a result, little sunlight (I love natural lighting)

    Bangin' Bachelor Pad B:
    http://s12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...le3/The%20Met/

    The good:
    Gorgeous view, high floor
    As a result, lots of sunlight
    Dedicated bike racks inside parking garage (seem secure and I saw some pretty pricey road bikes)
    Closer to amenities
    Large population of gorgeous single Asian women

    The bad:
    50 less sq. ft.
    Far less storage space
    Adamant rules against bikes

    O_O Which one would you guys take? Rent is the exact same, by the way.

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    Get the one you like best . . . you're renting and you will eventually move again at some time..
    Lock bike in the parking garage.
    You may need a tandem to take some of those georgeous Asian beauties for a ride TWOgether!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cleanupinaisle3 View Post
    so i viewed the places again.

    I like both places a lot. But i need some advice!

    bangin' bachelor pad a:
    http://s12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...aisle3/murano/

    the good:
    probable guarantee of in-suite bike storage
    50 more sq. Ft.
    Far more storage space

    the bad:
    terrible view (essentially the toronto police headquarters building)
    as a result, little sunlight (i love natural lighting)

    bangin' bachelor pad b:
    http://s12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...le3/the%20met/

    the good:
    gorgeous view, high floor
    as a result, lots of sunlight
    dedicated bike racks inside parking garage (seem secure and i saw some pretty pricey road bikes)
    closer to amenities
    large population of gorgeous single asian women

    the bad:
    50 less sq. Ft.
    Far less storage space
    adamant rules against bikes

    o_o which one would you guys take? Rent is the exact same, by the way.
    b.

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    A. I would never trust a parking garage for any of my bikes. Locked, secured or not. As tsl says, go elsewhere.
    B. I have yet to see a single, gorgeous Asian woman interested in bicycling in Toronto. Or anywhere else for that matter...

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    get condo a, and a lawn chair to find your favorite spot in the city to otherwise take in that nice natural light, hang out at condo B building to sweet talk those gorgeous Asian women, if you find something warm and cuddly you can work toward spending the occasional night/weekend over at the condo B building.

    Above all, find a place to live that will facilitate all the details of your lifestyle, dont compromise on that!

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