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Old 04-04-10, 08:34 PM   #1
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Do you think riding my bike with traffic will help me get my driving licence?

Ive always been nervous riding a car in public. Riding a bike to me feels safer. I feel if I can master riding a bike with traffic that will help me not being nervous when driving a car. I also have to master looking at the mirror and being aware all around you without swerving around and I plan on learning that on my bike. I already feel less nervous about driving a car since I rode my bike in town.
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Never heard of that approach, but if it works for you, go on with it.
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Nope, because the things you look for as a driver of a car are not the same as the things you look for as a cyclist. The only cure for nervousness is practice. It has been suggested to me that once you attain your license, you go for a long multi-hour drive. The body generally rejects being in a heightened state of anxiety for that long if nothing happens, and you calm down as the drive goes on (and on), then you get less nervous about being behind the wheel.
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Probably won't help with getting the license, but will with the driving. Who knows, you might turn out to be one of those drivers that actually looks both ways when leaving their own driveway.
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Will definitely help you with driving, but probably not with getting your licence. Will help your awareness though.
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Old 04-05-10, 09:21 AM   #6
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Ive always been nervous riding a car in public. Riding a bike to me feels safer. I feel if I can master riding a bike with traffic that will help me not being nervous when driving a car. I also have to master looking at the mirror and being aware all around you without swerving around and I plan on learning that on my bike. I already feel less nervous about driving a car since I rode my bike in town.
Honestly, no, I think it's going to get you killed, but if you feel riding a bike in high-traffic areas is enhancing your appreciation for the road and cuts down on your fear of driving, go for it; whatever works for you, dude, but I'd be more concerned with my safety if I were you, and try to avoid riding in high-traffic areas. There are just too many variables; people texting while driving, dialing cellphones, drinking, drugging, just not paying attention, and peoples' newfound disrespect for everyone but themselves...it just doesn't bode well for anyone on a bike these days. I figure the less amount of traffic, the better.
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Ive always been nervous riding a car in public. Riding a bike to me feels safer. I feel if I can master riding a bike with traffic that will help me not being nervous when driving a car. I also have to master looking at the mirror and being aware all around you without swerving around and I plan on learning that on my bike. I already feel less nervous about driving a car since I rode my bike in town.
Nah! You might get less nervoius about the traffic, but driving a car is a whole new ball game and a totally different set of skills. It's good to learn to ride in not so busy traffic though, because you face your fears.
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"Do you think riding my bike with traffic will help me get my driving licence?"

Nope. Well, maybe, but it's a different world inside that box.
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Let me add this collection of instructional videos:
http://www.yrp.ca/erase/Video.htm

Realize, however, that they only cover the basics of vehicle handling and driver setup. They don't cover how to watch traffic, how to handle interstate highways, etc etc etc.

Also, I'm willing to bet that your state's driver's test manual only scratches the surface of what it really takes to be a good, safe driver. It'll help you pass the written exam, but that's about it.
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Find a good private driving school.

Here's where I went. California Driving School They feature dual controls in their cars.
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I'll be honest, your proposal perplexes me. Can you explain a little more about your situation? Have you driven before, or only as a passenger? Do you live in a city or rural area? Are you car free, I assume? What is your age (if you don't mind my asking)? I ask these because I'm trying to gain a better picture of your situation and because I'd like to understand your reasoning and how you've found yourself to be uncomfortable in an automobile. Can you walk us through?
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Riding a bike in traffic will help with traffic awareness, but wont help you learn the width or length of the car when parking or driving through narrow gaps. Cars dont have instantaneous response to steering inputs like bikes.
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I'll be honest, your proposal perplexes me. Can you explain a little more about your situation? Have you driven before, or only as a passenger? Do you live in a city or rural area? Are you car free, I assume? What is your age (if you don't mind my asking)? I ask these because I'm trying to gain a better picture of your situation and because I'd like to understand your reasoning and how you've found yourself to be uncomfortable in an automobile. Can you walk us through?
Im 21 years old. Live in the boonies. Didnt really need transportation snce I work at home. I took the test once but failed it,probably didnt help when I stayed up all night. I went too fast when going downhill and got too much tunnel vision from being nervous.
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Find a good private driving school.

Here's where I went. California Driving School They feature dual controls in their cars.
Not knocking you, but focusing on the school --

How did they compare to the Finns? I'm mainly referring to the short bit between 0:52 and 1:26 --
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy8LJx71_9o

I wish I had had training in inclement weather, night driving, etc etc...
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Im 21 years old. Live in the boonies. Didnt really need transportation snce I work at home. I took the test once but failed it,probably didnt help when I stayed up all night. I went too fast when going downhill and got too much tunnel vision from being nervous.
Learn before you grow up too much. Otherwise you'll be completely afraid of going any faster than 15 mph.

Everything you need to know about driving can be boiled down into just four aspects: vehicle maintenance, legal driving, traffic behavior, and vehicle control. Get these down and you'll be better than 90% of the drivers out there.

Vehicle maintenance means making sure all the lights work, the brakes work, the tires aren't bald (and, if it's snowy and icy, that they're appropriate for the conditions), the battery isn't dead, the transmission isn't about to implode, the suspension isn't broken, yadda yadda yadda. It's actually easy: KEEP YOUR CAR WORKING. Don't drive around like a yahoo with cords showing through the tire treads and a rear end that bangs over manhole covers. FIX IT. A working car is a safer car.

By "legal driving", I mean knowing what all the signs mean, knowing what you're expected to do (everything from signaling turns to staying on the correct side of the road), and all that stuff. Basically, this is what your driver manual covers.

Traffic behavior refers to learning what to expect from other drivers in various situations. One instance would be when you're coming up to several lanes of traffic waiting at a red light, and the stack of cars in the lane you're using is a lot shorter (doesn't matter why it's shorter, but it is); PLAN on an impatient driver in the neighboring lane to suddenly move over in front of you, and drive accordingly. Your driver manual probably says nothing about stuff like this.

Vehicle control. If you don't know what you're doing, you can surrender control of your car to the gods of physics much more easily than you think. This includes everything from snapping into a spin in a curve to getting the car unstuck from snow. You manual may talk about this, but nothing substitutes for actually experiencing it.
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Will definitely help you with driving, but probably not with getting your licence. Will help your awareness though.
I agree with this... biking in traffic will help make you a smarter driver.

Do you know the rules of the road... Go to your local DMV and get a driver's handbook and study it.

But even doing all of this, the motor skills required for driving still have to be acquired. You need time behind the wheel to do that. But ask yourself... do you really need to drive? I lived car free for 7 years while going to college and after. My sister in law did not learn to drive until she was 22. Do you need to drive, or can you do everything you need to do on a bike... try... save yourself some money and grief.
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Theres free transit that can come to my house even though I live in the boonies on dirt roads. I dont need a vehicle.
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I have heard of some driving schools having driving simulators. You might consider that, as a way that you can start learning the skills of an auto without having to be paniced about safety. After a bit with simulators, you can probably start on less crowded areas.

In any case, a good driving school as pointed out above cannot hurt. It takes practice, practice, practice. Nothing else will do.
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Theres free transit that can come to my house even though I live in the boonies on dirt roads. I dont need a vehicle.
Well, that's where you live for now. If you live there the rest of your life, and they continue to provide transit (free or cheap), then you'll never have to know how to drive.
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I have heard of some driving schools having driving simulators. You might consider that, as a way that you can start learning the skills of an auto without having to be paniced about safety. After a bit with simulators, you can probably start on less crowded areas.

In any case, a good driving school as pointed out above cannot hurt. It takes practice, practice, practice. Nothing else will do.
Yup, thats the point of a good driving school, practice with a professional eye watching. A driving coach as it were.

Driving simulators could be good as well. While walking by the State Police HQ, I helped a fellow loading a very nice simulator back into his truck. I noticed that it even had things like cameras pointed at the pedals so that they could track the driver's actions completely and replay it.
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