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    Bicycles are obviously safer, but not as safe as they used to be before all these wannabe 'bikers' started buying motorcycles that are too powerful for them so they can ride with the "gang", ole ladies plastered on the back, to and from bars on nice sunny days.

    We won't even get into all those who "wear all the gear" because they crash so much.

    To the few who are not wannabes and poseurs, my apologies...for having to share the road with these bozos.
    "Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey

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    Quote Originally Posted by chipcom View Post
    Bicycles are obviously safer, but not as safe as they used to be before all these wannabe 'bikers' started buying motorcycles that are too powerful for them so they can ride with the "gang", ole ladies plastered on the back, to and from bars on nice sunny days.

    We won't even get into all those who "wear all the gear" because they crash so much.

    To the few who are not wannabes and poseurs, my apologies...for having to share the road with these bozos.
    Apology Accepted!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by longbeachgary View Post
    I've always felt the opposite of what almost everyone is saying. I've felt that bicycling is more dangerous than riding a motorcycle mainly because every right-lane driver on the road passes by a cyclist. Most times it is the biker that's doing the passing. Every danger that a motorcyclist faces so does a cyclist.

    I'm not talking about extreme motorcycle riding or racing just regular street riding. There is no doubt that crashing on a motorcyle can be more deadly than a crash on a bicycle crash.
    You are not the only one with that opinion!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ro-monster View Post
    If I were to judge from my personal experience, I'd have to say bicycles are more dangerous. Motorcycles were my only transportation for 7 or 8 years, and I did take a few low-speed spills, but never had even a slight injury, except for one bruise I got riding dirt bikes. Then I started riding bicycles. My first crash, at less than 10 mph, resulted in a severely fractured shoulder that required two surgeries and seven months of rehab, kept me off the bike for nearly a year, and left me with a slight but permanent loss of mobility.

    Along with the rest of you who came from motorcycling, I always wondered why bicyclists don't wear any protective gear and always felt naked. But when I was finally able to ride again after the injury I started wearing a full-face helmet, an armored mesh jacket, and knee pads. For a long time I was just too scared to get on my bike without that gear. I'm not scared anymore but I still wear it most of the time, even though I've had people point and laugh.

    Oh...and I've since acquired two more bicycles, heh.
    You explained the very reason I started the thread!!

    And we are alike, I have aquired a cheapo full face BICYCLE HELMET, and I have acquired two more bicycles..

    Now, tell me that you had to sneak one of those bicycles pass the wifee, and we will be EXACTLY ALIKE!!

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    cehowardGS, it's been nice chatting with you too.

    For sure look into bicycle racing, they have "Masters" classes based on age groups that go to 55+. You'll still be riding with the 35+ youngsters, but you're scored separately. Or you can just do the equivalent of the "meatgrinder" and enter regular Cat 4/5 races. lol

    Quote Originally Posted by chipcom View Post
    Bicycles are obviously safer, but not as safe as they used to be before all these wannabe 'bikers' started buying motorcycles that are too powerful for them so they can ride with the "gang", ole ladies plastered on the back, to and from bars on nice sunny days.

    We won't even get into all those who "wear all the gear" because they crash so much.

    To the few who are not wannabes and poseurs, my apologies...for having to share the road with these bozos.
    It still amazes me that you can get a license by riding around a parking lot at 25mph for a couple days, and then are released on public roads, and that new riders can walk into a dealership and purchase a 180hp/400lb. motorcycle.

    I ride like a chicken on the street. At the track, there's no gravel, cars, the pavement is nice (unless you're at Nelson) and there's an ambulance parked 10ft away. On the street, while I still travel a little faster than traffic (I don't park in blind spots) I'm WAY more cautious.

    Anyway. I *know* that riding a pedal bike, statistically, is safer.... but it's really strange that it doesn't feel like it is, and it's interesting that other motorcyclists that have gotten into pedaling feel the same way.

    (It's also interesting that there are a lot of the same arguments that are parallel, ie. helmet laws, style of riding, etc.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by cehowardGS View Post
    You explained the very reason I started the thread!!

    And we are alike, I have aquired a cheapo full face BICYCLE HELMET, and I have acquired two more bicycles..

    Now, tell me that you had to sneak one of those bicycles pass the wifee, and we will be EXACTLY ALIKE!!
    Well, I can't say that, it's illegal for a woman to have a wife in California.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truckstop View Post
    ...It still amazes me that you can get a license by riding around a parking lot at 25mph for a couple days, and then are released on public roads, and that new riders can walk into a dealership and purchase a 180hp/400lb. motorcycle.
    That's always amazed me too. I got my license before MSF existed, so I took the (Colorado) state test, which was even less demanding than that. I made some mistakes that should have failed me, yet they gave me a license anyhow. I was appalled. At least the dealer who sold me my first bike was good enough to steer me toward an appropriate beginner's bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truckstop View Post
    cehowardGS, it's been nice chatting with you too.

    For sure look into bicycle racing, they have "Masters" classes based on age groups that go to 55+. You'll still be riding with the 35+ youngsters, but you're scored separately. Or you can just do the equivalent of the "meatgrinder" and enter regular Cat 4/5 races. lol



    It still amazes me that you can get a license by riding around a parking lot at 25mph for a couple days, and then are released on public roads, and that new riders can walk into a dealership and purchase a 180hp/400lb. motorcycle.

    I ride like a chicken on the street. At the track, there's no gravel, cars, the pavement is nice (unless you're at Nelson) and there's an ambulance parked 10ft away. On the street, while I still travel a little faster than traffic (I don't park in blind spots) I'm WAY more cautious.

    Anyway. I *know* that riding a pedal bike, statistically, is safer.... but it's really strange that it doesn't feel like it is, and it's interesting that other motorcyclists that have gotten into pedaling feel the same way.

    (It's also interesting that there are a lot of the same arguments that are parallel, ie. helmet laws, style of riding, etc.)
    truckstop, replying to you is like preaching to the choir! We are almost carbon copies in our thinking/opinions, and we both race cbr600rr!

    Riding on the street, we are just alike too. I got 11,000 miles out of my stock tires on my 07 GSX R1000. I have heard of peeps not getting 1500 miles. I can count on my hand the time the rev counter has went past 9 grand. I just like the weight of the 1000 for the street. I just use about 20% of the power.


    I have always said, those driving test, car and bike are a joke, and you see them running out the Motor Vehicle Admin, and hollering "I got my liciense. Once they are driving and something happens at speed, and they would not know to chit or go blind! (excuse the expression).

    Plus, I always get other motorcycles (IMO not in the know)riled up when I say I NEVER used the rear brakes on my motorcycles. Racing and mainly street. My reasons are, not using the rear brake, kills that reflex, the rear brakes only slow about do about 5 or 10% of the stopping power, and at speed, unless you full blown expert, coming down on the rear brake is going to send the rear out, instant crash.. Also, the front stoppers can stop you all the way. As you very well know, hauling it down the front straight at 150+mph (on 600s), and then bringing it alway the down to 40mph is short distance can all be done with the front stoppers. You got peeps that crash, and you will see the tell-tale streak in the road, where they used the rear brake, the rear came around, they crashed.

    BTW, you told me hubby sold his 1K, and you are putting the street plastics back on your 600rr, you selling that too?

    I just got an offer for my 600rr, $5500, I told them I would think about it. You know the wifee is all for it. She has already spent the $5000, and figuring out how she can get some of the $500 that is left!!

    Back on topic.., I got me a cheapo full coverage bicycle helmet coming..


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    Quote Originally Posted by ro-monster View Post
    Well, I can't say that, it's illegal for a woman to have a wife in California.
    Dam, you got me good there!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chipcom View Post
    Bicycles are obviously safer, but not as safe as they used to be before all these wannabe 'bikers' started buying motorcycles that are too powerful for them so they can ride with the "gang", ole ladies plastered on the back, to and from bars on nice sunny days.

    We won't even get into all those who "wear all the gear" because they crash so much.

    To the few who are not wannabes and poseurs, my apologies...for having to share the road with these bozos.
    Well I wore the gear on the motorcycle, and never crashed while riding one. But I have fallen off the bicycle twice in way less time than I rode motorcycles, once when I lowsided after thinking "this thing doesn't handle anywhere near as good as the bike in the wet" and the other time when I wasn't paying attention and went over the handlebars trying to stop before I hit a drainage pipe in my way. Tuck and roll as learned in martial arts kept me from getting hurt worse both times there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cehowardGS View Post
    BTW, you told me hubby sold his 1K, and you are putting the street plastics back on your 600rr, you selling that too?

    I just got an offer for my 600rr, $5500, I told them I would think about it. You know the wifee is all for it. She has already spent the $5000, and figuring out how she can get some of the $500 that is left!!
    Bahaha... We sold our dirtbikes to pay for bicycles. That actually sounds like a pretty good offer. Mine is a mostly stock '07 and I'd ask $5,500 for it, but wouldn't expect to get more than $5K. It's not for sale though. The G1K is still for sale, but nobody wants it. We just found ebay street plastics so we'll be selling the Bazazz and other track specific stuff and maybe re-list as a streetbike, and at least have it to ride around until then. It's funny how 1K's are nice on the street, in that you don't need to shift much, but then you really only need 1st and 2nd gear for most of it. You're totally right on it that you only need 20% of its potential. He didn't really like racing it, the tire bill last season was ridiculous. Well, tires, AND brake pads. Ugh. He's going back to Middleweight. He also didn't get having all that extra power, and then having to get traction control and whatnot to "dumb down" the power to make it rideable.

    Rear brake is used on dirt, and imperative when you get off track on grass! Front brake on wet grass is an instant eject button. Don't ask me how I know. But otherwise, yeah, front brake is all you need.

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    my injuries have been far worse from from falling off bicycles than from motorcycles

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    I know I'm gonna get myself splatted by a truck tomorrow for saying, but some of ya'll be doing way too much crashing...on or in any vehicle.

    stop it...please


    edit: not counting the mountain bikers, downhillers, etc. where if you ain't crashed, you ain't having fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chipcom View Post
    I know I'm gonna get myself splatted by a truck tomorrow for saying, but some of ya'll be doing way too much crashing...on or in any vehicle.

    stop it...please


    edit: not counting the mountain bikers, downhillers, etc. where if you ain't crashed, you ain't having fun.
    On a scale of 1 to 10 on being TIMID, I am a 15!!! Very, very TIMID. However, I got sense enough to know, that on two wheels, at one time or another, you are going to CRASH.. No way around. My crashing has been on racetracks, as in motorcycle roadracing.. Closed envoriment, abulances at ready. There you have it.

    Don't ever expect, that you will never crash. Everybody, no exceptions, crashes at one time or another, that is a fact. Crashing is part of moving on two wheels.

    Serious motoryclists all wear full gear, no exceptions there too. So, when we come over to bicycling, there is this funny feeling. That's all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cehowardGS View Post
    On a scale of 1 to 10 on being TIMID, I am a 15!!! Very, very TIMID. However, I got sense enough to know, that on two wheels, at one time or another, you are going to CRASH.. No way around. My crashing has been on racetracks, as in motorcycle roadracing.. Closed envoriment, abulances at ready. There you have it.

    Don't ever expect, that you will never crash. Everybody, no exceptions, crashes at one time or another, that is a fact. Crashing is part of moving on two wheels.

    Serious motoryclists all wear full gear, no exceptions there too. So, when we come over to bicycling, there is this funny feeling. That's all.
    I've been driving and riding bikes, with and without motors, for like 40 years...I can count on one hand how many times I have crashed on all of them...and I don't judge "serious" cyclists or motorcyclists based on the gear they wear...only by how competent they ride. If you crash a lot, sorry pal, you ain't very competent in anyone's eyes but your own.
    "Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey

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    Quote Originally Posted by chipcom View Post
    I've been driving and riding bikes, with and without motors, for like 40 years...I can count on one hand how many times I have crashed on all of them...and I don't judge "serious" cyclists or motorcyclists based on the gear they wear...only by how competent they ride. If you crash a lot, sorry pal, you ain't very competent in anyone's eyes but your own.
    He's already said his crashing has all been done on a closed course on a racetrack, not out on public streets. There's a difference. Racing is about testing yourself and your bike, pushing your limits. It's not a question of "if" you will crash, but "when" and you should be prepared. It's a risk that racers and their families have to be prepared for.

    Most crashes are pretty minor. It's a fact of life when you're racing. I've lost track of how many times my husband has fallen off his bike in 10 years of racing, (2-3 times per season?) but he walked away from all but two. He hasn't crashed on the street in 25 years of street riding, and as far as I know he hasn't crashed riding his road bicycle in 15. (I'm sure he's fallen down MTB, and we've both fallen down a bit riding MX. Dirt is a whole other topic.) There's a difference. I expect he'll eventually crash racing crits. He already had a near miss in his first season when someone else fell and took out the back end of the peloton a couple weeks ago. It's a risk that you have to be willing to take.

    Falling down while racing very well could be due to incompetence, there are always some bad/new riders out there, but don't automatically assume that's the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truckstop View Post
    He's already said his crashing has all been done on a closed course on a racetrack, not out on public streets. There's a difference. Racing is about testing yourself and your bike, pushing your limits. It's not a question of "if" you will crash, but "when" and you should be prepared. It's a risk that racers and their families have to be prepared for.

    Most crashes are pretty minor. It's a fact of life when you're racing. I've lost track of how many times my husband has fallen off his bike in 10 years of racing, (2-3 times per season?) but he walked away from all but two. He hasn't crashed on the street in 25 years of street riding, and as far as I know he hasn't crashed riding his road bicycle in 15. (I'm sure he's fallen down MTB, and we've both fallen down a bit riding MX. Dirt is a whole other topic.) There's a difference. I expect he'll eventually crash racing crits. He already had a near miss in his first season when someone else fell and took out the back end of the peloton a couple weeks ago. It's a risk that you have to be willing to take.

    Falling down while racing very well could be due to incompetence, there are always some bad/new riders out there, but don't automatically assume that's the case.
    If you crash "a lot", you are incompetent, racing or not. Yeah, sometimes stuff happens, but when stuff happens a lot, it can't just be attributed away to being inevitable or part of the territory. Your assumption that you are talking to some non-racer who just fell off the turnip truck is incorrect, and I don't consider myself some god or superman because I can manage these activities without excessive crashing (knock on wood). People who take pride in their skill usually are the first to blame themselves for their f ups, justified or not - and the last to try to rationalize it away.
    "Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey

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    Good points, and I don't know the op either, nor have I ever seen him ride, but I don't know how accepting that crashing is a real risk is somehow rationalizing away anything?

    For the record, I have not crashed yet doing anything on pavement, racing or street or pedal. (I fell over once in the pits on grass when I hit the front brake which I referred to above, and I fall down on dirt - because I *AM* incompetent on dirt.) Yet I don't think I'm as competent of a rider as my husband, who I would consider has crashed "a lot". He's examined, and knows what happened in all of them, and doesn't blame anyone but himself except in cases where someone hit him from behind.

    I've absolutely seen people crash due to incompetence and I've never argued that, but even the fast, competent guys crash, and everyone has a different definition of "a lot".

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    Quote Originally Posted by chipcom View Post
    I've been driving and riding bikes, with and without motors, for like 40 years...I can count on one hand how many times I have crashed on all of them...and I don't judge "serious" cyclists or motorcyclists based on the gear they wear...only by how competent they ride. If you crash a lot, sorry pal, you ain't very competent in anyone's eyes but your own.
    Trying to figure where you coming from or going with this.

    What you don't do, don't make it so..

    I crashed 4 times on the racetrack.. You call that a lot?

    On the scale of "competent", who are you to judge anybody's COMPETENCE on two wheels?

    What are your CREDIENTIALS?

    The hearsay that you have posted above has NO SUPPORT, except from you, and SORRY PAL, but that doesn't go over with the rest of us.

    On serious riders, I have race licences in two santanctioned race orgs. That gives me credence to say who are serious motorcycle riders. First of all, any rider on the street without proper gear on a motorycles is NOT A SERIOUS rider. That is a fact.

    Sorry pal, but you just posted some hot air that went cool real quick.

    Try again..

    BTW, in sanctioned races, all riders crash. The winners and the losers..

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    Quote Originally Posted by cehowardGS View Post
    Trying to figure where you coming from or going with this.

    What you don't do, don't make it so..

    I crashed 4 times on the racetrack.. You call that a lot?

    On the scale of "competent", who are you to judge anybody's COMPETENCE on two wheels?

    What are your CREDIENTIALS?

    The hearsay that you have posted above has NO SUPPORT, except from you, and SORRY PAL, but that doesn't go over with the rest of us.

    On serious riders, I have race licences in two santanctioned race orgs. That gives me credence to say who are serious motorcycle riders. First of all, any rider on the street without proper gear on a motorycles is NOT A SERIOUS rider. That is a fact.

    Sorry pal, but you just posted some hot air that went cool real quick.

    Try again..

    BTW, in sanctioned races, all riders crash. The winners and the losers..
    You chose to personalize my comments and apply your own numbers, pal. Sorry if I gored your over-inflated sacred cow, but what I said stands. If you don't like my opinion, quit trying to rationalize crashing and incompetent operation of a vehicle as somehow normal and inevitable.

    I won't even get into the silly fear-based "proper gear" nonsense. But of course, someone who thinks crashing is normal and inevitable needs all the safety gear they can get their little hands on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by truckstop View Post
    Good points, and I don't know the op either, nor have I ever seen him ride, but I don't know how accepting that crashing is a real risk is somehow rationalizing away anything?

    For the record, I have not crashed yet doing anything on pavement, racing or street or pedal. (I fell over once in the pits on grass when I hit the front brake which I referred to above, and I fall down on dirt - because I *AM* incompetent on dirt.) Yet I don't think I'm as competent of a rider as my husband, who I would consider has crashed "a lot". He's examined, and knows what happened in all of them, and doesn't blame anyone but himself except in cases where someone hit him from behind.

    I've absolutely seen people crash due to incompetence and I've never argued that, but even the fast, competent guys crash, and everyone has a different definition of "a lot".
    Accepting and acknowledging possible risk is one thing...trying to say it is inevitable and making excuses for doing so is attempting to rationalize. Yes, stuff happens and is not always an indication of incompetence...but the same stuff happening a lot usually indicates the problem goes beyond "inevitability".

    Remember the definition of crazy....doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
    "Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey

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    Quote Originally Posted by chipcom View Post
    You chose to personalize my comments and apply your own numbers, pal. Sorry if I gored your over-inflated sacred cow, but what I said stands.
    Personalize??
    WTF is this, your quote:

    Quote Originally Posted by chipcom View Post
    you ain't very competent in anyone's eyes but your own.
    If that ain't personalizing, I don't know what it.. But, I got broad shoulders, fire away.

    Another one of your quotes: And the below, doesn't even classify as an opinion, it is just plain STUPID.

    Quote Originally Posted by chipcom View Post
    If you don't like my opinion, quit trying to rationalize crashing and incompetent operation of a vehicle as somehow normal and inevitable.
    On your first sacarstic reply, I even posted, I am trying to figure where you are coming from. On the second post, it was plain to see, you posting BS.

    On your fourth post, it was very plain to see that you don't know JACK.

    To be real, you stated this..your quote again:

    Quote Originally Posted by chipcom View Post
    If you crash "a lot", you are incompetent, racing or not.
    The above line proves that you don't know your tailhole from a doughnut.
    I don't even like NASCAR, but you find any bonifide racers and they CRASH.. Earhart, Rossi, all the big name racers crash..

    Let me prove my point. You say you been on the two wheels for 40 year..

    Big fackin deal. You been toting around on most like a cruiser, and think you know about motorycles. Sheesh.

    Bonifide racers, push the machines and their skill to the limit, the very edge, that is the point of the game.

    You mickey mousing around the street on a crusier and think you know what you are talking about.

    I am going to be very blunt with you.

    First, you don't know what you talking about, second, from your posts it seems you got a big dose of anomosity in their. Where is that coming from??? Gotta be coming from some place.. Oh, I got it, ya JEALOUS..

    Now, getting back to your motorycle riding, you can't even push streetbikes to the limit on the confines of public highways, it can't be done.

    You need racetracks to do that.

    Truckstop races, I race, what do you do? Cruise around the street on a cruiser..

    The point that you made about "if racers crash, they don't know what they are doing" is one of the most STUPIDIEST COMMENTS I heard in a long time. Show me any racer that has crash, and crashed many times.

    So, personal, that is your jealous streak, not mind..

    Now, tag along you got your cruiser busted, you got what ya wanted..
    Last edited by cehowardGS; 06-10-10 at 04:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cehowardGS View Post
    Serious motoryclists all wear full gear, no exceptions there too. So, when we come over to bicycling, there is this funny feeling. That's all.
    What is that funny feeling... reality of what you're doing? I guess better late than never.

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    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post
    What is that funny feeling... reality of what you're doing? I guess better late than never.
    I guess you can say that. Serious motorcyclists are USE to having on FULL GEAR..No exceptions. Bicycles can reach speeds of 60mph(I am guessing and correct me if I am wrong), in road racing motorcycles, sometimes I have slowed from 150mph(high speed) down to 30mph(slow speed), very quickly and in a short distance. So, at the junction, you can have racing motorcycles traveling at 30mph, and you can have bicycles traveling at say 50mph. However, motorcycle roadracers are fully covered, whereas, the bicyclists are not. That is where serious motorcylists get the funny feeling. Even the gloves and boots I wear on the motorcycle are fully armoured, just like having a helmet on my hands and feet.

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