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Old 06-04-10, 06:59 PM   #1
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Bicycle or Motorcycle,Which Is Safer????

In the last couple months, my wife has weened/steered/suggested/almost-ordered me to eased off the motorcycles, and on to bicycles. She is okay with the communting on the motorcycle, but roadracing bit she almost wants stopped. She made the point that my 6ft3in frame at 136lbs keeps on crashing on the racetrack, nothing will be left of me.

Now, looking at the bicycle, and I will just be communting and sport riding, no racing or any of the like, the protection is to say the least is VERY SCANT!! All I see is a HELMET!!

Now, I am a veteran of several 100mph+ motorcycle crashes on the racetrack, several high speed crashes on the street, and a couple below 50mph crashes on the street too. All of them, I come out UNSCATHED!! Why, because I wear FULL GEAR all the time plus a big dose of luck, and the blessing from above.

Not that I am looking to, but if I take a spill on the bicycle doing 20 mph, I am at the mercy of luck that I dont' get banged up pretty bad.

When I am roadracing motorcycles, I have full gear from head to toe, ditto for the street.

Will somebody tell me what is the secret of NOT GETTING HURT in a bicycle crash???
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Old 06-04-10, 08:20 PM   #2
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you arent going nearly as fast = lots more time to react to a change in conditions, therefore (in theory) less likely to crash. its also impossible for the bike to get away from you by twisting the throttle a little too hard, a skid isnt nearly as dangerous on a bicycle, a little bit of gravel in a curve is less likely to take you to the pavement... the weight of a bicycle isnt going to add injury, the weight of a motorcycle can easily break your leg or worse.

yes, you are likely wearing less safety gear, but you also need it much less.
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You want the secret of not getting hurt in a bicycle crash?

Ride an exercise bike

Just live life...do what ya want. You don't live forever, and you cant take it ($) with you...I don't think I am much help
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Motorcycles are way more dangerous and I too am a veteran of both road bikes (really fast ones) and plenty of dirt and motocross thrown in.
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Statistically it isn't even close. The insurance industry had a study done by Exponents Inc to evaluate the fatality risk per million hours of a variety of activities. Cycling came in at 0.26 while motorcycling was about 8. Car driving was 0.4.

But I suspect that part of the reason for the high risk of motorcycling is that it tends to appeal to people who like the adrenelan rush of risk taking.
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You want the secret of not getting hurt in a bicycle crash?

Ride an exercise bike

Just live life...do what ya want. You don't live forever, and you cant take it ($) with you...I don't think I am much help
You were MUCH help, you told it like it is!!

The fact of the matter is, I am a very TIMID old cuss!! Can't stand to get my finger cut. And believe you me, I don't see ANY protection when crashing times comes on the bicycle.

No, I am not going to give it up, just trying to be real with myself. I have been airborne at over 100mph and then contact the ground, still no injuries, just soreness. My wife did a 3 mph crash a couple days ago, and got a nasty bruise on her knee. Sheesh, I am ready to sue the city for that crap!!

I will be treading along carefully..
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Motorcycles are way more dangerous and I too am a veteran of both road bikes (really fast ones) and plenty of dirt and motocross thrown in.
Well, I roadrace with WERA & CCS, and have crashed in both, races and practice. Unscathed on all, and I credit that to the all the gear I have on.

My race gear.
http://www.cehoward.net/suity31.jpg

My street gear
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My bicycle gear/ Consist of only that el cheapo helmet!!!
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Statistically it isn't even close. The insurance industry had a study done by Exponents Inc to evaluate the fatality risk per million hours of a variety of activities. Cycling came in at 0.26 while motorcycling was about 8. Car driving was 0.4.

But I suspect that part of the reason for the high risk of motorcycling is that it tends to appeal to people who like the adrenelan rush of risk taking.
Well, I must be an exception to that rule, on a scale on 1 to 10 on being TIMID, I am a freaking 15!!!

However, I feel much better now that you have quoted the safety stats, and that stats say I am safer on the bicycle than on the motorcycle.

Dam, the wifee loved to hear that!!
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Just live life...do what ya want. You don't live forever, and you cant take it ($) with you...I don't think I am much help
I'm sure once he makes this selfish point to his wife, she will see the light and agree.
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cehowardGS, most if not all your comments on motorcycle mishaps is all about your personal experiences. If you look beyond that, say ask Emergency Room technicians, they might tell you a different story.
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Bicycle accidents almost always result in some injury - minor loss of skin, broken collarbone. Very rarely is the injury more severe, unless hit by a bigger faster vehicle (car).

Motorcycle crashes sometimes result in minor or no injury. ANd sometimes result in a twisted dead body or a wheelchair. The difference is speed - bicycles simply don't do 100 mph, and 100mph crash without crazy good luck and/or intervention from above can be fatal.

FWIW, I have had innumerable bicycle crashes and only one motorcycle crash... wearing jeans, a leather jacket, helmet, leather gloves, and boots. It hurt waaaay more than any of the bicycle crashes - I suspect because I was on a gravel road and the weight of the bike helped me dig into the ground better.

PS... if a bruised knee makes you think about lawsuits, perhaps you should take up slowly strolling around your house as an activity. I get a bruised knee when I play fetch with the dog.
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Statistically it isn't even close. The insurance industry had a study done by Exponents Inc to evaluate the fatality risk per million hours of a variety of activities. Cycling came in at 0.26 while motorcycling was about 8. Car driving was 0.4.

But I suspect that part of the reason for the high risk of motorcycling is that it tends to appeal to people who like the adrenelan rush of risk taking.
That is similar to what I have seen. For fatalities, bicycles are half as dangerous as cars per hour and motorcycles are something like 8 times as dangerous as cars.

I live in Florida. They have all sorts of motorcycle events over at Daytona Beach. They never ever have one of those without multiple fatalities. There are many large scale organized annual bike rides that have gone on for years without a fatality.
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no doubt it's bicycle
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But fatalities do happen on the bike and you always need to ride defensively and know where the cagers are.
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I'm sure once he makes this selfish point to his wife, she will see the light and agree.
The point is, I got a lot age on, I was freewheeling all I want until I got married last year. Now, the wife is saying slow it down, get on the bicycle. Sheesh, I was looking at hitting the deck with the bicycle and none of my gear on, and will say you peeps are really BRAVE!!

IMO, and I might be wrong, but I will take the motorcycle crash with full gear opposed to a bicycle crash with only a helmet. Anything over 5 mph moving is dangerous.

Just my opinion.. Sheesh, looks like I am stuck with the bicycle, and I am liking it.
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cehowardGS, most if not all your comments on motorcycle mishaps is all about your personal experiences. If you look beyond that, say ask Emergency Room technicians, they might tell you a different story.
I am down with that. In fact, peeps on the street see me, they look at me funny. I am riding a slick looking machine, got full gear on to the hilt, and not flying up and down that street like a crazy person. I see them all the time, with shorts on, tennis, flying by doing wheelies, and crashing big time. I do my speeding on the racetrack, period. Anybody that knows anything about sportbikes, know you can't even get close to their maximums on the street.

It is just that I am used to the full protective gear, I feel right naked on the bicycle..
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Bicycle accidents almost always result in some injury - minor loss of skin, broken collarbone. Very rarely is the injury more severe, unless hit by a bigger faster vehicle (car).

Motorcycle crashes sometimes result in minor or no injury. ANd sometimes result in a twisted dead body or a wheelchair. The difference is speed - bicycles simply don't do 100 mph, and 100mph crash without crazy good luck and/or intervention from above can be fatal.

FWIW, I have had innumerable bicycle crashes and only one motorcycle crash... wearing jeans, a leather jacket, helmet, leather gloves, and boots. It hurt waaaay more than any of the bicycle crashes - I suspect because I was on a gravel road and the weight of the bike helped me dig into the ground better.

PS... if a bruised knee makes you think about lawsuits, perhaps you should take up slowly strolling around your house as an activity. I get a bruised knee when I play fetch with the dog.
If you read my first post, I said I am a very TIMID OLD CUSS, and that is the truth.
And the lawsuit was just kind of a figure of speech..
On the point of intervention from above, you got that right. On one of my crashes at the racetrack, one person told me after he saw that, I need to go to church and stay there!! I took his advice too.
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That is similar to what I have seen. For fatalities, bicycles are half as dangerous as cars per hour and motorcycles are something like 8 times as dangerous as cars.

I live in Florida. They have all sorts of motorcycle events over at Daytona Beach. They never ever have one of those without multiple fatalities. There are many large scale organized annual bike rides that have gone on for years without a fatality.
I was at Daytona taking a Team Hammer Motorcycle race school, and I saw peeps riding around in the city with NO HELMETS. You don't have put a helmet on in Florida!! As much as I love to ride, I would never throw a leg across a motorcycle without a helmet, and now that same thing goes for bicycles. Incidently a the Team Hammer race school, we use part of that big oval in practice. They told me if I am going slow on the oval, stay down low. I stayed down low at 170!! They flew by...
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But fatalities do happen on the bike and you always need to ride defensively and know where the cagers are.
Now, that is where I need to get better, much better. I notice my wife cannot even turn around without moving off her line. Also, I find it uncomfortable riding with the cars coming up in back of me. I am use to have power to get out trouble. Now, I don't have power, I need to have a lot of savvy, a lot. Lots of time I will ride on the pavement opposed to the street if the pavement is avaiable..

Sheesh, I know how it with cages when I am on the motorcycle, I imaging it is double hard on the bicycle. You got the peeps on the phone, then you got the old men and women. That is a dangerous trio coming at you, for sure!!
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You can get protective gear for biking. Freeride and downhill bikers wear such gear routinely.

But protection is problematic for anyone doing cross-country or road biking. Our bodies throw off tons of heat from the exertion, and the gear adds greatly-unwanted weight. Few would be willing to make the tradeoff that wearing protection provides. Instead, we toss on a helmet to protect the all-important brain, and we pretty much leave the rest to luck.

Example: Two days ago I rode a nine-mile loop on a local trail. Took about two hours. There are some downhill bits with roots where protection would be nice. The thing is, my total time going down those sections probably does not even reach five minutes. (Heck, it might not even reach three minutes) The rest of the time I was climbing (slow) or going on level ground (still pretty slow, really, on the dirt). Two hour ride. Less than five minutes worthy of protection. The rest of the time I'm sweating like a pig and huffing my way up hills. I choose not to wear pro on a ride like that. I just dial it back in the dangerous spots so as to minimize my risk of crashing.

On a motorcycle it would be different. The heat penalty would not be as bad because I would not be pedaling. I'd need the protection all of the time because I'd be able sustain speed even going uphill. The extra weight would be no burden at all due to having a motor.
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I wouldn't expect much for answers. Based on your accident descriptions sounds like you're the kind of rider that gives the rest of us a bad name.
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Force = mass x acceleration. If you take a dive on a motorcycle weighing between 600 and 800 pounds going say 25 mph its going to slide a lot further than a bicycle weighing 20 pounds at the same speed, and you're more likely to be going much faster on a motorcycle.
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as a physical therapist who works in rehab, primarily multiple trauma and brain injuries, i have seen more motorcycle accident patients than cyclists...

that being said, it IS entirely possible cyclists mortality is higher... i have no stats to back that up, just experience
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Neither,cars don't see either one.
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I wouldn't expect much for answers. Based on your accident descriptions sounds like you're the kind of rider that gives the rest of us a bad name.
Are you talking to me/about me??

My accident discriptions have all be race accidents, all during professional sanctioned racing.

WTF are you talking ABOUT?

Reading comprehension doesn't give you a bad name, you already EARNED THAT!!
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