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Old 07-21-10, 11:51 AM   #1
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The Bicycle's Big Comeback

Has the bicycles day come once again?

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Old 07-21-10, 02:47 PM   #2
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The bicycle being the best solution to the problem of transportation has to do with high density living arrangements. If you have to ride more than 5 miles or so, you lost productivity means less not more efficiency. Climate change is beside the point, what drives bicycle usage is the need to get somewhere about 3 miles from where you are.
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Might want to read some of the other stories in that blog before getting all excited about the Bicycle Renaissance.
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Old 07-21-10, 03:32 PM   #4
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The bicycle being the best solution to the problem of transportation has to do with high density living arrangements. If you have to ride more than 5 miles or so, you lost productivity means less not more efficiency. Climate change is beside the point, what drives bicycle usage is the need to get somewhere about 3 miles from where you are.
Not sure what you are saying.

Do you mean that if your commute is more than 5 miles, it is inefficient to use a bike because of the time lost? If so, consider how much of your work is done to finance the car. When looked at from that point of view, the extra time taken by bike, can sometimes balance out. And that doesn't include the savings on gym membership if you had one. I do a 24 mile round trip commute, by bike, don't want to change.
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Not sure what you are saying.

Do you mean that if your commute is more than 5 miles, it is inefficient to use a bike because of the time lost? If so, consider how much of your work is done to finance the car. When looked at from that point of view, the extra time taken by bike, can sometimes balance out. And that doesn't include the savings on gym membership if you had one. I do a 24 mile round trip commute, by bike, don't want to change.
How many people with gym memberships really use them all the time?

It really is more about the time spent. They're saying around DC that the average commute is 15 miles and takes around 30 minutes. The BF rule of thumb for bike commuting says about 10 miles per hour, so that'd either be 5 miles in 30 minutes, or 15 miles in an hour and a half. With these generalizations, the car saves two hours a day.

I can easily bike commute now, considering where I live and work. Back where I grew up, though, I wouldn't have the patience for it.
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How many people with gym memberships really use them all the time?

It really is more about the time spent. They're saying around DC that the average commute is 15 miles and takes around 30 minutes. The BF rule of thumb for bike commuting says about 10 miles per hour, so that'd either be 5 miles in 30 minutes, or 15 miles in an hour and a half. With these generalizations, the car saves two hours a day.

I can easily bike commute now, considering where I live and work. Back where I grew up, though, I wouldn't have the patience for it.
Depending on your salary level, will that two hours a day pay for the car? In some places like Boston you have to figure in the high cost of parking too.

I agree that a bike has it's limitations, my rule of thumb is anything under 10 miles is usually a go, inside of 5 miles I am all over it. Anything over the 10 I look for options.

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It really is more about the time spent. They're saying around DC that the average commute is 15 miles and takes around 30 minutes.
15 miles in 30 minutes, really? Door to door? I don't know DC well but in almost any biggish city that seems like a very optimistic calculation.
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I'm just going by what they were saying on WTOP radio late last week. It was part of the three-minute segment where they were talking about a survey that said people thought that the commute around here was getting worse.
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For every 5 new bikes I buy, I know of only 1 or 2 guys who get into the sport, whether it be MTB or road.

The bicycle is not making a comeback.
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15 miles in 30 minutes, really? Door to door? I don't know DC well but in almost any biggish city that seems like a very optimistic calculation.
LOL, every ghetto chump in DC is pulling off a pro level TT in their commute.

The reporter must have totally screwed up the numbers. 15 miles round trip, 30 minutes each way. Even that is optimistic for a lot of these guys.
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15 miles in 30 minutes, really? Door to door? I don't know DC well but in almost any biggish city that seems like a very optimistic calculation.
That's an average of 30 miles an hour. Only a high-level competitive cyclist could achieve an average like that, and that's absent D.C. traffic (which is brutal).

I lived in Arlington and worked in D.C. for two years. 30 miles is actually about how long my round-trip commute was, and it took about half an hour each way just to ride the Metro. Going a surface route would be even worse. There's no way a biker is going to average even 15 mph during the daytime commute hours, between traffic and traffic lights, even if you do some daring road-to-sidewalk shifts. In fairness, the article doesn't even mention D.C. -- it didn't have anything to do with the study as far as I can tell.

Oh, and if you think the average person in DC is a "ghetto chump (whatever that means)," you clearly haven't spent any time there in the past 20 years.
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They are talking about commuting by automobile. The average commute is 15 miles and takes 30 minutes by automobile.
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They are talking about commuting by automobile. The average commute is 15 miles and takes 30 minutes by automobile.
Yup. Nobody in the mainstream (media or otherwise) cares about bike commuting enough to survey average distances and times.
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