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Old 08-06-10, 07:58 PM   #1
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Stop yielding when it isn't necessary or helpful. =|

This stems from an encounter tonight while driving, but I've encountered it on my bike as well so I'm sure the car-free might relate.

Don't yield if you're not required to and it's not a helpful gesture. When I'm coming off an off ramp on a highway and see you coming, I'll slow down and stop. Sure, proceed careful in case I'm one of those idiot drivers, but don't stop completely as I come to a stop and pause before flashing your lights at me to say I can go. I'll wave and be thankful, but it wastes both of our time as we figure out who should go and both of our gas as we stop and start instead of slowly merging. If there's a long line of cars behind you, then sure be a kind soul and I'll be much more grateful, but if you're alone just don't.

Don't yield if I have a stop sign and there's only a few cars behind you. It will take far less time for all of them to pass and then me to continue than to wait until I understand that you'll let me go, especially since I can't see your brake lights. Again if there's a lot of traffic, I wouldn't mind being let out.

Same if I'm on a bike. If I'm waiting at a stop sign and you approach alone, don't come to a stop so I can see you'll let me go. By the time I see you're going to let me out, you could've passed if you didn't slow to a stop and I could be on my way. I understand you're being nice and I wish more people were like it, but you're going to have to pass me right after I get going and it will be more hassle for you than it would have been and more concern for me.

So it's good to know that there are still people in the world that pay attention and respect other drivers/cyclists, but help us out if it really will help us and not just lead to a moment of confusion, which can become dangerous.
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Old 08-06-10, 07:59 PM   #2
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Nice rant, but you are really being unreasonable.
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Old 08-06-10, 08:16 PM   #3
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Nice rant, but you are really being unreasonable.
Nice post, but you are really being RUOkie.

... it doesn't work at all. Darn you.
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I don't like it when people don't take the right-of-way. It messes up the flow of traffic. Lately I have noticed a lot of people who are turning right that stop and let people making left turns across from them go first. I was behind a girl in the right turn lane and she was stopped, letting all of the opposite traffic make their left turns (we all had green lights). I honked at her and she turned around and glared at me.

It's even more dangerous when you're on a bike. Motorists think they're being nice letting the cyclist go first, but it just messes things up and other cars tend to get impatient and just barge ahead of the guy not taking his turn. I usually unclip and stand there with my foot on the ground waiting for them to move before me.
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Old 08-06-10, 08:28 PM   #5
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I don't like it either, it is dangerous because things happen out of order and that is usually when somebody is caught off-guard and an accident happens.
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I am with the Op.
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Happened to me tonight. Just kind of at a standstill, then I just decided to go.
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On my commute back from work, I made a left turn and entered a turn lane. I was riding down the turn lane waiting for the car behind me on my right to pass so I could merge in traffic. I glanced back and they were overtaking my speed. I waited - nothing, glanced back again and they were going slower, so I went slower so that they'd go past me. Finally, I'm almost at crawl when I finally realized they thought I could read their mind and get over at which point they 'punch' it and pass me with a disgusted look on their face. Why could they just not go on about their business and let me merge. Sigh. I know they were trying to be helpful, but I can't read intent.
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If I'm approaching a stop sign and there is one car that is just waiting I'll wave at them to go in and almost shooing motion. If they ignore me, I stop, unclip and take a drink out of my water bottle.
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Old 08-06-10, 09:49 PM   #10
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I am with the OP too... very good point.

A similar thing that bugs me (when driving): approaching a four-way stop and someone who is already stopped will not go until you come to a complete stop even though it is obvious that you are slowing and intend to stop. A big waste of time that bugs me.
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I am with the OP too... very good point.

A similar thing that bugs me (when driving): approaching a four-way stop and someone who is already stopped will not go until you come to a complete stop even though it is obvious that you are slowing and intend to stop. A big waste of time that bugs me.
Haha, yes.. annoying. I guess they've seen too many cyclist run stop-signs, so maybe think of it as ruining a negative stereotype when you stop properly!
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Haha, yes.. annoying. I guess they've seen too many cyclist run stop-signs, so maybe think of it as ruining a negative stereotype when you stop properly!
+1... Happens a bunch when I'm riding in Portland. It even happens when I'm riding up here in Vantucky... I guess there's karmic spillover across the Columbia River.
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Yes. Do not yield when I do not have the right-of-way. You're slowing yourself down unnecessarily, you're slowing me down, and you're pissing off the other motorists who already hate acknowledging that bikes are on the road. Good intentions pave the road to me being in the hospital.
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i love the people that stop and wave me out to go across 4 lanes of moving traffic. like everybody else in the other 3 lanes is going to stop to let me go, too!

and then they get pissed because they stopped but i refuse to go, across 3 other lanes of traffic who have no idea what is going on... and then they finally go and yell at me "thanks for wasting my time!". seriously, this has happened to me.

if you have a stop sign, then stop. if i have a stop sign, i'll stop. if you don't have a stop sign and i do, then keep on truckin' and i'll wait. otherwise you waste every bodies time and **** up the flow of traffic. they paid a traffic engineer with a phd tons of money to figure out where to put the stop signs, so don't try to be nice and throw a wrench in the system.

the driving laws never say anywhere that you have to be nice to somebody, only that you have to do what the signs tell you what to do.
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Don't yield if I have a stop sign and there's only a few cars behind you.
This is one of my pet peeves; technically, if I have a stop sign and you don't you could wave me through, then hit me and it will be your word against mine as to whether I ran the stop sign and caused the wreck. I also get tired of the ones who pull up to a clearly marked 4-way stop while I'm 5-10 seconds away and sit and wait until I've completely stopped before they'll go. I may wait to see the crossing traffic's brake lights, but once it's obvious that they're aware of the stop sign, get clear of the intersection so they don't have to wait.
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Haha, yes.. annoying. I guess they've seen too many cyclist run stop-signs, so maybe think of it as ruining a negative stereotype when you stop properly!
I always wear one of these on my left wrist when I'm riding in town at night, and wave traffic through before I get to the sign. That way I don't have to fight with the toe clips or try to trackstand and wait for them; the "complete stop" required doesn't specify a duration, so I can gear down, brake until I see the front wheel stop, and then stomp the high pedal and go if it's clear.
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i love the people that stop and wave me out to go across 4 lanes of moving traffic. like everybody else in the other 3 lanes is going to stop to let me go, too!
Yes!

All I really ask is that drivers be predictable, which is often a result of following traffic laws.
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You all know that drivers do this bc there are so many cyclists who run stop signs, cut across traffic, or perhaps just suck at bike control. Cars don't want to crunch you so they hang back to see what you are doing.
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i love the people that stop and wave me out to go across 4 lanes of moving traffic. like everybody else in the other 3 lanes is going to stop to let me go, too!
I do not like that either. It makes for a very dangerous situation. When my kids were young, I made a point of teaching them not to cross the street just because someone was waving them across, but to always look for themselves and make sure the way is clear.
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You all know that drivers do this bc there are so many cyclists who run stop signs, cut across traffic, or perhaps just suck at bike control. Cars don't want to crunch you so they hang back to see what you are doing.
Exactly.

If I'm driving and I yield to you where I probably shouldn't, it's because I expect you to do something spectacularly stupid and the right of way isn't worth running your ass over to me. You know how you assume all drivers are dumb? Well, sadly I find I have to assume all cyclists are dumb too.
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You all know that drivers do this bc there are so many cyclists who run stop signs, cut across traffic, or perhaps just suck at bike control. Cars don't want to crunch you so they hang back to see what you are doing.
Are there a whole lot of Chevy Blazers that do those things too? It doesn't seem to matter much whether I'm on the bike or driving.
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Are there a whole lot of Chevy Blazers that do those things too? It doesn't seem to matter much whether I'm on the bike or driving.
Yeah but the fact that if I hit you on a bike, I'm going to seriously hurt you changes the dynamic drastically to me. I don't mind cutting off some dick in a car because he ran a stop light, bikes are different.
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Seeing the responses to the original rant it's easy to see why roadways are hazardous places. Be courteous,take the gift and move on. If you're not ready for anything,and I mean anything that occurs it's an accident (no such thing) waiting to happen.
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You all know that drivers do this bc there are so many cyclists who run stop signs, cut across traffic, or perhaps just suck at bike control. Cars don't want to crunch you so they hang back to see what you are doing.
+1, sadly enough. I think it even applies when driving.

What the yielding-when-they-shouldn't drivers could also be doing is texting and checking their GPS. I've seen people around here get lost halfway through the intersection and suddenly realize they're going the wrong direction.
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You all know that drivers do this bc there are so many cyclists who run stop signs, cut across traffic, or perhaps just suck at bike control. Cars don't want to crunch you so they hang back to see what you are doing.
I feel like there's a difference between slowing cautiously (as if they were at a blinking yellow) and outright not taking the right of way when it's given to you. Last week on my bike I was at a stop sign as I saw a car approach. I had my foot down and arms relaxed off of the handlebars. Yet the car, who had nothing, came to a full stop and waved me to go. I went and stayed pretty far after to the right so they could pass me easily - but it seems a little far to go when expecting me to behave unpredictably.
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