Your brand new bicycle u-lock is not safe!
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What bothers me is the fact that there are very little intermediate U-Locks out there. I don't consider the New York Chain or Evolution 3000 to be intermediate locks. Those locks weight over 3 pounds and there is no way I'm going to lug those around for 40 or 50 miles.
The Evolution 2000 was perfect because the device was only about 2 pounds but now it's worthless. Does anyone have any experience with the Abus U-Lock??
The Evolution 2000 was perfect because the device was only about 2 pounds but now it's worthless. Does anyone have any experience with the Abus U-Lock??
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Originally Posted by brokenrobot
The only Kryptonite lock I own that I haven't been able to break yet is an Evo 2000 Mini LS with a key code beginning YSE. I *am* able to break all keycodes beginning KK. The YSE seems to ahve a slightly larger lock core diameter, and is an older lock - perhaps the more recent ones are actually more vulnerable?
I still can't open my Mini and it is indeed a YSE.
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Yeah, this is no hoax. I freaked out a dozen or so lock owners last night when we tried it out. The first time it took about 10 seconds, the second time only 2 seconds, and after that the pen was "stripped" and it was harder.
Now that I have more pens I'm going to try it on my older U-Lock. I won't be that surprised if it works on that one too.
Beyond getting new locks from Kryptonite, what the hell are we going to lock our bikes with?!
Now that I have more pens I'm going to try it on my older U-Lock. I won't be that surprised if it works on that one too.
Beyond getting new locks from Kryptonite, what the hell are we going to lock our bikes with?!
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Originally Posted by thebity
Beyond getting new locks from Kryptonite, what the hell are we going to lock our bikes with?!
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Ten seconds. I feel like I've violated myself. Amazingly, the Kryptonite customer service folks are still being very nice.
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Originally Posted by absntr
I still can't open my Mini and it is indeed a YSE.
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Originally Posted by thebity
Beyond getting new locks from Kryptonite, what the hell are we going to lock our bikes with?!
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Originally Posted by Fark
Not but seconds ago, I locked one of these Kryptonite locks around the neck of my girlfriend during a little rough play.
I couldn't force myself to pass the key quite yet (we always swallow them to make it more fun)
But she had a cold and couldn't breathe.
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FWIW, I just opened my old Kryptolock, about 15 years old. The kind with the key on the end. Took a couple minutes with the bic pen.
Just the other day, I was looking at some hardened 3/8" chain to use with a rather buff padlock I have. I'll have to get a couple feet worth now.
Just the other day, I was looking at some hardened 3/8" chain to use with a rather buff padlock I have. I'll have to get a couple feet worth now.
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=v= I've had no luck, but my key starts with "NBA." Note that in NYC, a lot of people get the New York Chain and upgrade the lock to one of those "undrillable, unpickable" types that are on all the storefronts:
https://www.things.org/~jym/bicycles/...chain-lock.jpg
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https://www.things.org/~jym/bicycles/...chain-lock.jpg
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I am so glad that I bought an Abus now
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I've had a bit of experience with lockpicking (though I only use my powers for good), and have read quite a bit about bike theft, and this issue isn't really that big a deal. Most bike locks can be defeated in one way or another in seconds. Cables of any size are very easy to cut, as are any non-case-hardened chains and locks. Most U locks (not the stronger krypto models) can be popped off with no tools at all, by lifting the bike off the ground and using its frame as a lever to twist the lock. I've picked many "normal" style locks in about a minute using improvised tools, like a paper clip and a pencil, and with practice I'm sure it would be much faster.
A friend of mine once saw a bike stolen... a van stopped, a guy with cable cutters got out, snipped a lock, grabbed the bike, and was off again in about ten seconds, before any of the passersby even realised what was happening.
All that considered, one more method of defeating a bike lock isn't that earth shaking. It definitely is something to be aware of, and I personally plan to replace my ev disk lock with somethimg the theives havn't seen so often, but it's important to remember that if anyone really wants a bike that's locked outside, they can probably have it a lot faster than you'd like.
Regarding some of the suggestions that have been posted:
-Cross locking (using multiple locks of different types) works. Most theives only carry the tools for one type of lock at a time, and even if they have all the tools, don't want to spend too long on one bike.
-I haven't tried it with this method yet, but I suspect that lubing the keyway will make it easier rather than harder. As a general rule, lubricated locks in good working order are far easier to pick.
-Using a second padlock in addition to the Kropto lock on an NY Chain sounds like a good deterrent.
-Locking close to the ground may make picking with a pen more difficult, but is traditionally considered risky as it allows a thief to hammer on the lock using the ground as an anvil. Under present circumstances, that's probably less of a threat though.
Here are some thoughts from NYC Bike messengers on appropriate padlocks for an NY chain: https://www.nybma.com/faq/question3.htm
All this said, Kryptonite makes great locks. It sucks to find out that a great pick for their style lock is so common, but every competitor that I've looked at has had many other flaws in their products, so don't be too hasty to buy something different.
A friend of mine once saw a bike stolen... a van stopped, a guy with cable cutters got out, snipped a lock, grabbed the bike, and was off again in about ten seconds, before any of the passersby even realised what was happening.
All that considered, one more method of defeating a bike lock isn't that earth shaking. It definitely is something to be aware of, and I personally plan to replace my ev disk lock with somethimg the theives havn't seen so often, but it's important to remember that if anyone really wants a bike that's locked outside, they can probably have it a lot faster than you'd like.
Regarding some of the suggestions that have been posted:
-Cross locking (using multiple locks of different types) works. Most theives only carry the tools for one type of lock at a time, and even if they have all the tools, don't want to spend too long on one bike.
-I haven't tried it with this method yet, but I suspect that lubing the keyway will make it easier rather than harder. As a general rule, lubricated locks in good working order are far easier to pick.
-Using a second padlock in addition to the Kropto lock on an NY Chain sounds like a good deterrent.
-Locking close to the ground may make picking with a pen more difficult, but is traditionally considered risky as it allows a thief to hammer on the lock using the ground as an anvil. Under present circumstances, that's probably less of a threat though.
Here are some thoughts from NYC Bike messengers on appropriate padlocks for an NY chain: https://www.nybma.com/faq/question3.htm
All this said, Kryptonite makes great locks. It sucks to find out that a great pick for their style lock is so common, but every competitor that I've looked at has had many other flaws in their products, so don't be too hasty to buy something different.