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Old 09-20-10, 08:27 AM   #1
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There have been a couple threads recently here which got me thinking (changing).

When I was taught to drive, oh so many years ago, one of the things I was told is don’t over drive where you can see. Or to have a better description, don’t drive so fast that you can not stop in the distance you can see.

How many of us are actually doing this while driving a car?
How many of us are actually doing this while riding a bike?

I was actually better at this while driving a car. The roads are made for cars and I have a vehicle with great breaks (when not loaded to max weight).

The MUP path is not so straight. It has some blind corners, with overhangs. I push hard up hill and coast as fast as I can down the other side. (I forgot to state this in the original post. I will not be over driving on the bicycle.)

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Old 09-20-10, 08:35 AM   #2
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If you can ride your bike fast enough to worry about this then you shouldn't be on an MUP.
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Old 09-20-10, 09:48 AM   #3
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Old 09-20-10, 01:31 PM   #4
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Geez, going high speed around a blind corner on a MUP. No wonder why mp3 wearing people on MUPs hate cyclists.
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Old 09-20-10, 04:05 PM   #5
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Yeah, you should be able to stop, given the conditions you should reasonably be aware of. On an MUP, you should basically always ride as if there there's a baby lying on the path around the next blind bend. Bikes can stop fast, but the laws of physics are pretty strictly enforced.

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Old 09-20-10, 04:13 PM   #6
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as a motorcyclist, i have learned to never "over drive" in any vehicle (car, motorbike, skateboard, bicycle, etc.)

i've seen some strange things in the road and on trails. the only time i won't is if it is a closed course for a race
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Old 09-20-10, 04:16 PM   #7
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Old 09-20-10, 04:29 PM   #8
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as a motorcyclist, i have learned to never "over drive" in any vehicle (car, motorbike, skateboard, bicycle, etc.)

i've seen some strange things in the road and on trails. the only time i won't is if it is a closed course for a race
Even on closed race courses I have seen drivers dodging the following over the years:

Deer & rabbits at Infineon
Woodchucks at Montreal (F1 & Nascar)
Nut case in Kilt at British GP
A zillion fans + dogs etc at multiple bike races throughout Europe and the USA

Most of the time I agree with the OP but there is always a risk even on a closed race course from animals and spectators.
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Old 09-20-10, 04:56 PM   #9
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On the other hand, a man without scars is a sad, sorry animal.
Due to speed limits, we seldom get the opportunity to go as fast as the OP describes. Thankfully the yellow speed limit signs are advisory, so we don't have to obey them to the letter. My usual rule of thumb regarding advisory signs is "Never go faster than 10 mph over twice the advisory speed." A good way to remember this is "If the sign says twenty, then fifty's plenty." Worked great so far.
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Old 09-20-10, 05:13 PM   #10
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There have been a couple threads recently here which got me thinking (changing).

When I was taught to drive, oh so many years ago, one of the things I was told is don’t over drive where you can see. Or to have a better description, don’t drive so fast that you can not stop in the distance you can see.

How many of us are actually doing this while driving a car?
How many of us are actually doing this while riding a bike?

I was actually better at this while driving a car. The roads are made for cars and I have a vehicle with great breaks (when not loaded to max weight).

The MUP path is not so straight. It has some blind corners, with overhangs. I push hard up hill and coast as fast as I can down the other side.
Me. I got off the bike, shouldered it and walked around a blind corner last week. I'll stop for a car, too, when I see the dimwit behind the wheel is oblivious.
In the car I time my speed to the lights and slow down long in advance of the stop, etc....

There is no place I have to rush to so badly, that I get stupid.
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Old 09-20-10, 07:48 PM   #11
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Nice thing about bikes is that (oftentimes) you can go as fast as you want and not worry about killing yourself or others or getting a ticket.

My limited experience on MUPs tells me that a speed governor is often required to ride on them.

Bombing down a steep hill on the road can be very frustrating if I'm not familiar with it or if visibility is limited of if the roadway is crowded - because then I obey the 'slow down' voice in my head. (I hear voices sometimes.................)
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Old 09-21-10, 10:28 PM   #12
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On the other hand, a man without scars is a sad, sorry animal.
Or just has quicker reflexes!
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Old 09-21-10, 10:34 PM   #13
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Over the years of car, motorcycle, and bicycle I have learned a few things,

Never over drive your situation.

If you do over drive your situation, it had better be for something you are prepared to die for and take others with you.

Always check your 6, mirrors make this easy, you can never be sure if there is somebody else who may be over driving your situation.
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Old 09-21-10, 11:44 PM   #14
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Me. I am very slow and cautious, because I ride almost exclusively on city streets. It's not smart to show off your biking skills on the street like on a circus risking your own life.

However, that doesn't mean I enjoy that. I wish I could ride in a place where I can go as fast as I want and as far as I can without stop.
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Old 09-22-10, 04:09 AM   #15
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If you can ride your bike fast enough to worry about this then you shouldn't be on an MUP.
Ill agree with this. If you are going to be a serious cyclist, you need to get away from the MUP altogether.
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Old 09-22-10, 07:19 AM   #16
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As a police officer of some 40+ years, I can assert with some authority that one of the most common causes of accidents is "driving too fast for conditions".
That includes seeing...

I well recall going down the highway years ago in very heavy fog. Visibility maybe 100 feet. I was creeping along in the right lane at about 40.... While people passed me at the full 70mph speed limit. Insane....

At the university here, we see kids all the time on bikes weaving their way through walkways at high speed, dodging their classmates who are walking.
No doubt, being young and quick of reflex, they think they are in control. However, they are not in control of the pedestrian, who is likely to do all sorts of unexpected things....
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Old 09-22-10, 11:21 AM   #17
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Ill agree with this. If you are going to be a serious cyclist, you need to get away from the MUP altogether.
I think it depends on what you define as a serious cyclist. I think there are plenty of commuters that will disagree with you.
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