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Old 10-11-04, 02:44 PM   #26
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well given I'm an old fart who has never heard that yellow livestrong bracelets
mean anything other than I support lance's cancer foundation, why don't we stop
the BS, and hints and inuendo's and just state what the hell it means.
Prude or not, it would be nice to be let in on the secret.
The whole thing is just so much BS, as if kids today don't have enough to
worry about. You have kids, who have resisted drugs, alcohol, gang banging, etc.
and they get DQ'd coz they wore a LIVESTRONG bracelet?
someone has got their priorities all wrong.
ok, getting off the soapbox now.

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"Linda Babb, Kellam High school’s athletic director and the administrator who oversees Beach District cross country, said she twice issued warnings to coaches about the “no jewelry” policy. She added that coaches received copies of the rules at the beginning of the season and were e-mailed prior to Wednesday’s meet with reminders that the rule would be enforced."

Stupid rule, maybe. But stupid coaches should bear the most blame.
But no one said that the yellow bands counted as "jewelry." If that's what the idiot administrator meant that's what the idiot administrator should have said. I'm disappointed that the non-affected coaches didn't protest. That would have been a great show of sportsmanship.

Edit: See my post below. The administrator had the courage to admit the mistake. I was wrong to call him an idiot.

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Old 10-11-04, 03:16 PM   #29
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I officiate soccer. Under FIFA laws, no jewelry is allowed during a match. The only exception is for medical alert bracelets.

There's a good reason for this law.

While checking in a U13 girls team this weekend, I noticed two players had livestrong bracelets on. I let it go. The bands are rubber and pose little risk to themselves or others.

I could and probably should have told the players to remove them.
So do I, or say I used to, and you were morally correct to let them wear them!
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What would they have done if every single competitor had worn one ??
Its all about power-tripping ,a bunch of pathetic fools !!!
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But no one said that the yellow bands counted as "jewelry." If that's what the idiot administrator meant that's what the idiot administrator should have said. I'm disappointed that the non-affected coaches didn't protest. That would have been a great show of sportsmanship.
Hah, that is pretty funny. I would suspect that the losing coaches are the ones that made the protest which caused the DQ, essentially making thier loser the winner.
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"Linda Babb, Kellam High school’s athletic director and the administrator who oversees Beach District cross country, said she twice issued warnings to coaches about the “no jewelry” policy. She added that coaches received copies of the rules at the beginning of the season and were e-mailed prior to Wednesday’s meet with reminders that the rule would be enforced."

Stupid rule, maybe. But stupid coaches should bear the most blame.
If somebody took the time to send me an email that said that a certain rule was going to be enforced, I'd believe them. After the fact, I'd be too embarassed to admit that I hadn't taken the warning. The lesson is that sometimes our actions have repercushions that we feel are out-of-porportion with the crime that we committed. That's the way life is so deal with it!

To me, the scary part is that these idiotic people on both sides of the issue are all teachers influencing our youth.
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Old 10-11-04, 07:03 PM   #33
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"Linda Babb, Kellam High school’s athletic director and the administrator who oversees Beach District cross country, said she twice issued warnings to coaches about the “no jewelry” policy. She added that coaches received copies of the rules at the beginning of the season and were e-mailed prior to Wednesday’s meet with reminders that the rule would be enforced."

Stupid rule, maybe. But stupid coaches should bear the most blame.
I disagree. If the twit had a thing specifically for the Livestrong bracelets, she should have mentioned them specifically. If religious and emergency jewelry is allowed as a specified exception, and watches are commonly disregarded, then the coaches apparently felt that the Livestrong bracelets didn't present a safety hazard that would prevent them being exempted as well. Think that any of Kellam's athletes were disqualified, or did her coach get a quiet word in the lounge that she was targeting the Livestrong bracelets? Think those students were chuckling on the starting lines?
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Wait a second, I remember watching a little bit of the Olympics and seeing one of the US 400 runners with a big piece of silver bling around his neck and a pair Oakleys on his face while he ran. Sure it's a different governing body, but the concerns should still be the same.

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“I think it’s a silly rule,” she said. “But had I been told at the starting line, I would have obeyed it
I think it's a downright stupid, or at least a downright stupid ruling on a rule that may have some legitimate basis. In Katy's, the article said she had an elastic hair band around her wrist. She ran her best time but it doesn't count because they declared it jewelry after the race. Honestly, who considers hair ties jewelry when a wrist watch is not (according to the article). In fact, the way the article is written, it sounds almost like entrapment.

Does anyone out there honestly believe that this ruling contributes at all in way, shape, or form to the goals of high school athletics?
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You have kids, who have resisted drugs, alcohol, gang banging, etc.
and they get DQ'd coz they wore a LIVESTRONG bracelet? someone has got their priorities all wrong.
Wise words indeed. Too often bureaucrats/administrators lose sight of the bigger picture. I also agree with some of the other posters who question whether or not LiveStrong bands fall under the category of "jewelry." Last time I was at a jeweler's I didn't see any silicone rubber being sold there...
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Rules are rules. If you let them wear the Livestrong wristbands, then you have to let everyone else wear whatever they want.

I think they should have issued a warning before the race. However, since others will be stupid and wear things like studded bracelets or friendship beads, the rule must be enforced.
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In HS track and XC events you dont tell the kids before each event to take off their jewelry. It's a rule that applies at every event. This doesnt matter of course because this isnt jewelry, its a LiveStrong band! Why is this not allowed?!?!
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Thats crazy. Thats my old High School (Ocean Lakes). Coach Nestor was my 10th grade English teacher, cool as hell too. Leave it to Virginia Beach high school admin. to be jerks about it. It doesnt suprise me though. That whole area is wack.
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you know, I was actually thinking it was an advertising thing. I remeber a CC running race that I was in where I was told to take off my underarmour shirt (running in 40 degrees with just a singlet sucks) becuase the logo was visible. apparently they were worried about athletes with logos becuase they didn't want pro HS athletes. there is so much bull**** that goes on becuase the officials are worried about a "slippery slope" effect where if something is allowed, then something else that actually might be harmful is allowed also under the same exception.
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What I find most interesting about this is that almost none of these kids, or coaches for that matter, knew the rule existed.

All jewelry means all jewelry. Watches, rings, bracelets, livestrong bands, etc. This is not rocket science and should be very simple. I also think that if you start making exceptions for specific types of jewelry, then the situation becomes more complex than need be. You have to consult a rule book to see what you can and cannot wear. Leaving it at all jewelry keeps it simple.

A similar rule exists in Judo competition and is enforced as a matter of course.

Of course they should have been DQ'd. They have no one to blame but the coach, who should have known better.

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A smart coach would have responded that it's not jewelry, it's clothing - part of the uniform!
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What I find most interesting about this is that almost none of these kids, or coaches for that matter, knew the rule existed.

All jewelry means all jewelry. Watches, rings, bracelets, livestrong bands, etc. This is not rocket science and should be very simple. I also think that if you start making exceptions for specific types of jewelry, then the situation becomes more complex than need be. You have to consult a rule book to see what you can and cannot wear. Leaving it at all jewelry keeps it simple.

A similar rule exists in Judo competition and is enforced as a matter of course.

Of course they should have been DQ'd. They have no one to blame but the coach, who should have known better.

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Silicone rubber bands by definition are NOT JEWELRY. The dictionary definition of jewelry is "Ornaments, such as bracelets, necklaces, or rings, made of precious metals set with gems or imitation gems." neither are elastic hair bands, or any other non precious-metal or jewel encrusted ornaments. It's so simple.
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The dictionary definition of jewelry is "Ornaments, such as bracelets.
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brace·let ( P ) Pronunciation Key (brslt)
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An ornamental band or chain encircling the wrist or arm.
Something, such as a handcuff, that resembles a wrist ornament

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brace·let ( P ) Pronunciation Key (brslt)
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An ornamental band or chain encircling the wrist or arm.
Something, such as a handcuff, that resembles a wrist ornament

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This is really a non-issue, livestrong or not if the regulations forbid bracelets, jewelery or what not. It is forbidden.
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UPDATE: Decision reversed!!!

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VIRGINIA BEACH - Stung by criticism at home and across the country, the Beach District today reversed its decision to disqualify high school cross country runners for wearing Lance Armstrong LiveStrong wristbands.
I said the administrator was an idiot for disqualifying the runners, so I have to give him credit for having the courage to admit a mistake:
''I have learned a valuable lesson from the perspective of 20/20 hindsight.,'' Biehl said. ''Gray areas will often surface when competition and kids are involved. Those of us who wear the title 'official' need to work all the harder to strike the right balance between flexibility and commitment to long-standing rules.''

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Here is an article that appeared on the ESPN website that is mentioned in the previous post that talked about the reversal decision. It is scathing....

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/colum...ray&id=1899682
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Old 10-12-04, 11:42 PM   #48
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Stupid rules/officials been around a long time: I was DQ back in the fifties for running a mile race barefooted when I forgot my track shoes...personal best that year & all for nothing, but I kicked butt! Coach was more upset than I was.
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I have to say, running with those bracelets is dangerous, same as running with loose jerseys or loose watches (also prohibited) or the like. There can be a lot of contact in Cross Country, depending on the course, and the size of the field.

If they hadn't been DQ'd then great. When they were, they should have accepted it, especially with the coaches being notified before hand. It would have been nice if the starter had notified the field of the wristband rule, but the officials should not be criticized for it.

Final point on the subject is that only the placing runners could possibly be upset, as being DQ'd actually affects their team and their performance contributed to the result of the meet. Other runners ran for fun or attempted personal bests etc.

Now, in regards to ollo ollo, it is my understanding that running barefoot was acceptable if you assume the associated risks.
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How would you feel if you were in that race

I mean for someone to disqualify people, he must have low self esteem and that is the only thing he could do that would make him seem 'important' and make him feel good about himself.
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