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    Quote Originally Posted by Smorgasbord
    I have to say, running with those bracelets is dangerous, same as running with loose jerseys or loose watches (also prohibited) or the like. There can be a lot of contact in Cross Country, depending on the course, and the size of the field.

    If they hadn't been DQ'd then great. When they were, they should have accepted it, especially with the coaches being notified before hand. It would have been nice if the starter had notified the field of the wristband rule, but the officials should not be criticized for it.

    Final point on the subject is that only the placing runners could possibly be upset, as being DQ'd actually affects their team and their performance contributed to the result of the meet. Other runners ran for fun or attempted personal bests etc.

    Now, in regards to ollo ollo, it is my understanding that running barefoot was acceptable if you assume the associated risks.
    Finally, someone that makes sense.

    What gets me is, once again, whiney parents get their way (I'm talking about the decision being overrulled). What message does that send to the kids? If they don't get their way, complain to mommy and daddy? Don't worry, mommy and daddy will take care of it? In addition, the school buckled to the pressure and went against the decision of one of their own officials, undermining any authority they may have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danr
    Finally, someone that makes sense.

    What gets me is, once again, whiney parents get their way (I'm talking about the decision being overrulled). What message does that send to the kids? If they don't get their way, complain to mommy and daddy? Don't worry, mommy and daddy will take care of it? In addition, the school buckled to the pressure and went against the decision of one of their own officials, undermining any authority they may have.
    I agree that the administrator could have banned the bands, but he did not do so until AFTER the race. Why not, at the start of the race, say "I see a lot of yellow bands and wrist watches. Take them off, now." He did give generic warnings about "jewelry," but if he had specific concerns about the yellow bands, he should have been specific. That's common sense.

    And unless there are some important facts that weren't in the article (which is always a possibility), this official deserved to have his authority undermined. But, he did the right thing in the end, so he deserves a 99% rehabilitation.

    One final note: Where did you read that even a single parent was "whiney"?
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    I was in sports and we knew the rules. There was no need for an official to hold us by the hand and walk us through the process. We took accountability and knew the rules ahead of time. What next? "Oh, my son never read the rule book. He didn't know that you couldn't false start."

    Whiney? Does it need to be in print? I don't think anyone hear can deny that after the disqualification, parents were on the phone calling every school official they knew. Have you ever been to a little league soccer or baseball game? Those parents are out of control. They're worse than the kids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danr
    I was in sports and we knew the rules. There was no need for an official to hold us by the hand and walk us through the process. We took accountability and knew the rules ahead of time. What next? "Oh, my son never read the rule book. He didn't know that you couldn't false start."

    Whiney? Does it need to be in print? I don't think anyone hear can deny that after the disqualification, parents were on the phone calling every school official they knew. Have you ever been to a little league soccer or baseball game? Those parents are out of control. They're worse than the kids.
    You can't just say, "read the rulebook" and declare victory. If you think the yellow LAF band was clearly jewelry, you and I have different definitions of "clear" and "jewelry."

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    Decision reversed. As reported on Velonews.

    http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/7090.0.html

    School district backpedals on LiveStrong wristbands
    By The Associated Press
    This report filed October 13, 2004

    Stung by criticism of its action, a high school district has reversed a decision to disqualify cross country runners for wearing Lance Armstrong LiveStrong wristbands.

    The decision was reversed because "adequate prior notice had not been given to the participants," Bruce Biehl, Kellam High School's principal and chairman of Beach District cross country, said in a statement released Tuesday.

    More than 20 runners were declared ineligible in a meet last Wednesday for wearing the popular LiveStrong bands, sold for $1 apiece. Proceeds go to the Lance Armstrong Foundation, which provides practical information to cancer survivors.

    Runners will be allowed to continue wearing the wristbands for the rest of the district cross country season, he said. Biehl added that clarification will be sought on wearing the bands during regional and state competitions.

    A flood of e-mails protesting the decision followed a story Saturday in The Virginian-Pilot of Norfolk detailing the Beach District's action.

    The decision to disqualify the runners, Biehl said, was in keeping with a recently drafted National Federation of State High School Associations ruling classifying the band as jewelry. But Biehl acknowledged that runners and coaches weren't given much notice. The Virginia High School League circulated the new policy to schools on Oct. 4, two days before the meet.

    Many of the runners in last Wednesday's meet said they were unaware that the bands were classified as jewelry and would have taken them off had they known they risked disqualification.

    "Our kids certainly weren't wearing them to be defiant," said Mike Nestor, coach at Ocean Lakes High. "We're kind of in awe of everything that's happened."

    But Nestor said the controversy has served as a learning tool for his athletes.

    "Sometimes you wear that band but forget what it's really for," Nestor said. "I've received e-mails from all over the country from cancer survivors voicing their support. Through their stories, we've learned what an inspiration that band really is."

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    i thought they banned bracelets like this to prevent gang affiliation/signs. schools are run by really uptight people, and you can't fight policy, just work to change policy.

    but to DQ these kids one of two things had to have happened. either the other coach complained OR the hardasses want absolute control over everything and feel that the slope would be too slippery.

    i would trace the decision back to one person and start a local campaign to let people know who exactly was responsible for the decision and publically humiliate them.

    And BTW, JamesV, looks like you are going to get your wish. hope you can afford Kerry.
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    This decision was absolutely ridiculous. People who run the races are scared of being sued and power-hungry. Whatever happened to common sense. Yes, let's remove the spikey collars and ankle bells but how can you expect a runner to run without a watch? What's wrong with wearing a lucky yellow plastic bracelet? It makes me sad for the people who enforce these rules on a whim, just to hurt others and feel better about themselves. If I was a parent or coach of one of those kids you bet I would complain! I've done dozens of bike races wearing all kinds of jewlery: gloves, watch, helmit, bracelet made out of an old bike chain - never even got as much as a second look from a race official...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiPHRaPH
    * * * i would trace the decision back to one person and start a local campaign to let people know who exactly was responsible for the decision and publically humiliate them. * * *
    Hey, enough already! They admitted a mistake and made things right. The guy who made the decision has been named all over the internet.

    Those of us who argued that the d/q's were stupid "won" the debate. Part of sportsmanship is being a gracious winner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daily Commute
    Hey, enough already! They admitted a mistake and made things right. The guy who made the decision has been named all over the internet.

    Those of us who argued that the d/q's were stupid "won" the debate. Part of sportsmanship is being a gracious winner.
    I didn't realize you were "judging" the debate, but that's ok. Although I am clearly outnumbered, I am willing to give this a rest on the basis that I never visit this forum again.
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    Interesting.

    On a side note, I used to have a LiveStrong band. Two of them, actually. They barely fit around my wrist and snapped after two days. Goddamnit.

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    "Now, in regards to ollo ollo, it is my understanding that running barefoot was acceptable if you assume the associated risks"
    Guess I should have given more info: This was in the Los Angeles area & running barefoot was seen regularly in cross country meets but this was the anchor leg of a distance medly relay. Their rule book listed 4 or 6 spike track shoes as part of the uniform & "all runners must wear a complete uniform...." Technically I was DQ for not wearing a complete uniform. I think the rule was intended to prevent running in shorts only. Don
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    Quote Originally Posted by danr
    I didn't realize you were "judging" the debate, but that's ok. Although I am clearly outnumbered, I am willing to give this a rest on the basis that I never visit this forum again.
    Sorry that you're leaving. You added to the debate and you didn't say anything that was abusive or inappropriate. If everyone agreed all the time, these forums would get dull real fast. When I said my side "won" the debate, I meant that the school changed its position. You're free to think that the school should have stuck to its guns.

    The "enough already" was a comment about piling onto the guy who decided to d/q the runners (I think he has been sufficiently flogged in the media), not to people who disagreed with me.
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