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Old 10-12-04, 03:24 PM   #26
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you made a fatal mistake. if your going to atempt to cover over a original post think it through!
I actually changed the story just for rykoala's benefit. But I really should have left the spitting part out originally, because you folks are just SO hung up on it -- as if that justifies anything. Really, I was there; I saw the guy. I really don't think he noticed the spit as much as he noticed that I was with the girl who was yelling at him. So, just for the sake of argument, let's assume that's what happened: I was hit because my girlfriend told the driver "eff you". Okay, for how many of you sick authoritarians does my having been riding bikes with a girl who is telling a road rager "eff you" justify him hitting me with his car? Your attitudes are depressing me. It's like you all are from those dark places in the world where bikes are actually expected to ride on the sidewalk (I don't know if this is actually the law anywhere, but it sure seems like that's what all the cars expect when you're traveling suburban roadways).
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ahhh jev, I think you misunderstand.

Is cars running into people wrong YES, my husband who is a regular on this forum rides his bike everyday to work and everywhere else he can. a guy hit him because he was to busy on his phone to look both ways and bumped him, did it piss him off yes. ( I worry every day he leaves our house) did he get justice call the cops complain that this driver doesnt care about bicyclists? NO!

I who am the "car driver" (cant ride a bike) once was walking in parking lot with someone, a car backing up almost ran her over she screamed and he didnt stop so she hit the back of his car and yelled your going to hit me. this angered him. she cussed the living day lights out of him I just kept walking and went to my car ( I dont cuss or get into fights, a wimp I know). he followed us and when I hit a red light rammed me over and over till I got shoved into the intersection, I had small kids. did I get justice when he sped off and we couldnt get a licence plate? NO! that just as bad.

point is, road rage is wrong no matter what no one argues that, it would of been nice if your local 911 did more then hand you some paper work, but they didnt. you asked now what should you do?

we say leave it alone why?

because I bet there are tons of great people here who has had a jerk off inconciderate "evil " car drivers who practically almost killed them, a good amount of them hope laws will change, that there will become more enlightenment about how much benefit bikers offer to the enviroment and health, BUT most of them DONT chase after the car just to cuss them out and provoke them into a worse senerio! And thats where this whole thread came from!

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I bet there are tons of great people here who have has a jerk off inconciderate "evil " car drivers who practically almost killed them, a good amount of them hope laws will change, that there will become more enlightenment about how much benefit bikers offer to the enviroment and health, BUT most of them DONT chase after the car just to cuss them out and provoke them into a worse senerio! And thats where this whole thread came from!

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If you look back up at the original post above, you'll see that I've corrected the sequence of events, thereby obviating most of your argument. The story sans spitting is actually the version the cops got, which is just as likely true in the mind of the maniac driver, since he was busy yelling at my girlfriend at the time of the alleged spitting.

And, yeah, if I piss you off, you most certainly are welcome to spit on my bike, so long as it doesn't get on me and I can easily wipe it off, as is the case with the hypothetically spat-upon windshield.

I think you ought to admit that you spend more time pumping gas into your SUV than riding a bike.

I think you might be underestimating the spitting.

In many cities, spitting at someone is specifically stated as one of the things that constitutes assault.

Spitting is a very primal act that is practiced even by animals. If that punk saw a spit on his windshield, it could very well make him blind angry. I think that you would be blind angry if someone spit at your bike too in spite of what you say.

Just think the situation over, man, and you will eventually realize that you should not have escalated the situation.
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After this obvious troll of a thread, I know i can never return to this subforum again. (edit -- WHOOPS, based on the crazy responses, i thought this was in Advocacy & Safety, the haven of the holier than thou types) Pure insanity here. Jev, troll and "perjurer" he may be, hit the nail on the head with his Stockholm Syndrome analysis. You people ACTUALLY think he deserved to be hit with a car hard enough to taco his wheel because he spit? Does that mean if i knock some jerk's mirror off with a u-lock, he can run me over completely? an ounce of saliva doesn't merit a 1500 pound (metal) response. That's just insane.

Fixer, I love you, but "you got what you deserved" was the wrong answer. He got assaulted, the law just isnt in place to protect him apparently. Attempted vehicular homicide, i think. If i spit in a guy's face, that response wouldn't be merited.
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Exactly which lane were you in when you pulled up on the left of this driver, while your girlfriend was on the right? Which traffic laws were you in compliance with? Better question, which were you not in compliance with?
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Old 10-13-04, 06:26 AM   #34
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So some jerk in a car jumps the stop sign and and yells at your girlfriend. Then you two yahoos chase him down and confront him and spit at him and then when he reacts and hits your bike, you get pissed. Thanks for adding to the road rage that's out there. Thanks for probably turning one jerk into a bicycle hating madman behind a wheel. Why didn't you just let it go? This kind of stuff happens all the time; to other drivers, pedestrains, as well as cyclists. Would you have chased him down if you had been in a car instead of on your bike? Would you have run after him if you had been on foot. The guys a jerk. Just let it go. It's not worth it.
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I say you wack the guy.
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Jev, you're an idiot. I'm sure your gal-pal was impressed by your penis waving antics.

We aren't.
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Old 10-13-04, 08:29 AM   #37
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You people should be polititians with the way you take things out of context, ignore parts of the story, and nit pick meaningless crap. All of this arguing about spit and not enough about getting hit and run by a freaking car. You say he's just being macho and stroking his ego bragging about it here, but you are doing the same thing stroking your holier than thou ego making sure you are on the higher moral ground at all costs. Well, everyone is human, including you. Humans make mistakes, including you. Do you want the kind of response you are giving when it is your turn to make a mistake?
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Wow, this is an interesting thread.

It seems that the instigation for all of this was a hearsay account of some motorists bad attitude. Then it was quickly escalated willfully by everyone involved. If you were to honestly try and pursue this in court, you're not going to come out very far ahead. A judge might see the driver leaving after the initial contact as some kind of duty to retreat from a conflict. At which point he was chased down by two cyclists and effectivly forced back into the conflict. I realize you don't see things that way, but most people in the forum have tried to show you the other side. I don't think the odds in court would be worth the risk and money involved. It's one thing to be assertive about your rights. It's another to be aggressive to the point of vigilantism. I say cut your losses.
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Well, everyone is human, including you. Humans make mistakes, including you. Do you want the kind of response you are giving when it is your turn to make a mistake?

Of course, that applies equally to the original poster as well as mister hit-and-run.
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Anyway, lights turn green, so I speed ahead into the intersection. I heard the driver's retort to my girlfriend, an even more forceful, more frustrated "(eff) yooouu!!," and I only glanced back for a half second to make sure he wasn't getting out of the car to beat her up.

What I heard next was the guy revving his engine real fast as he sped into the intersection after me. (Really, I feel I must say at this point that in retrospect I feel like I had almost zero presence-of-mind in this situation.) I began to slow down. Before I had totally stopped, the car's front bumper had hit my rear wheel straight-on, taco-ing it beyond repair but leaving the frame and the rider intact. I didn't even fall.
Disregarding everything else (that I don't understand why you did ), what I really don't understand is that after spitting on the guy's car and exchanging insults you choose to go riding in front of him and then brake? Isn't it highly likely that the guy will leave the scene as soon as the lights turn green?

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I really don't know what the several posters who called "troll" on me mean by that. Except maybe that I'm a relative newbie and so I didn't know until I posted this topic that the zeitgeist here is one of total submission, zero resistance.

I brought up politics in this thread because the relative power of motorists and bicyclists, and the fact that that power disparity is reinforced in the way my situation was handled by the police, is political.

If people on this forum are uninterested in finding out how to undermine the assumption that car beats bike, that's fine. I'm just surprised by it. I guess I'll need to take my question to an anarchist forum or something.

If the answer to my question is that it's not worth it to pursue "justice" because the system is such that such an endeavor is too costly, or because my actions make mine a bad case, that's fine too.

But I think it's downright sad that so many of you seem to delight in the idea of a raging driver running down a relatively powerless (except for the ability to spit, I guess) cyclist. It's like you're there in the passenger seat with that ashsole, high-fiving him, laughing, "fifteen points!"

Personally, I really didn't care that much. While my gf was freaking out, thinking the guy should be thrown in jail, I told her that I thought all he really deserved was to have to pay for my wheel. I'm actually quite impressed that he was able to brake with such precision.
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You state you are an actual lawyer, yet you are asking for referrals and whether trying to pursue legal action make sense.

In another post about spitting, you state; "I wasn't exercising very good judgment right then. But, come on, the guy absolutely intentionally hit a bike with his car!" The guy had not hit you with his car when you tried to split on him.

Am I missing something here?
you beat me to it. logical inconsistency here.
you should bottle your rage to unleash on the next driver to p*ss you off. y'know, 'cause drivers are actually a single entity, one event carries over to the next. yeah.
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But I think it's downright sad that so many of you seem to delight in the idea of a raging driver running down a relatively powerless (except for the ability to spit, I guess) cyclist. It's like you're there in the passenger seat with that ashsole, high-fiving him, laughing, "fifteen points!"

Personally, I really didn't care that much. While my gf was freaking out, thinking the guy should be thrown in jail, I told her that I thought all he really deserved was to have to pay for my wheel. I'm actually quite impressed that he was able to brake with such precision.
Sorry chuckles, but you put yourself in the line of fire. You and the gal pal chose to chase down the driver. You and gal pal chose to escalate the confrontation. And in a moment of pure stupidity, you chose to place yourself in front of the vehicle....bonus points.

Be thankful all you wound up with was a taco'd wheel, which is a fairly high price to pay for being (supposedly) dis'd by a driver.
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well what I guess some here dont relize is today ( because of Aids) Spiting on or at someone is consitered an Assault and if you have Aids or any infectious diseases it can be an assualt with intent or a tempted murder
so even spiting toward someone ( wheather you hit the windshield or not ) is atleast an assualt charge so if I was you I'd keep my mouth shut and buy a new rim and count your blessing thats all that happened
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You are a lawyer? Before reacting, relax, get the guys tag # use lawyer contacts to get perps telephone #. Go out with Sharpie and post it in every grungy toilet and phone booth you can find: "For a good time call xxx-xxxx" We do this for prank callers without the good sense to use call block. You can also search them on something like Yahoo and get the names of all their neighbors. This is a fun feature I found after a prank call to the shop. Nothing like calling up a pranker and telling him you know where he lives, giving address, and the names of all his neighbors. You can also post the guys full name, phone number, and address on every friendly forum you can find, with requests to call or write. Old school spam
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I don't understand why the girlfriend started chasing down this guy to begin with. The entire incident could have been avoided right there. It appears that she was the instigator here. What was she thinking?!??? The driver didn't touch her. What - he drove a little too close? That's not a crime - everything that follows is questionable.
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Hellfire and brimstone.......they don't revoke driving licenses when drunks or sober fools KILL cyclists, damage a wheel????? get real
Even the smallest of cars weigh 100Xs a bikes weight so how are you going to win?

Should have been a TOTAL gentleman,gone to the GF, held her, told her the guy was a jerk, "I'm glad you aren't hurt",now lets go get a nice cup o'chocolate and forget jerks,prolly would have been nicely rewarded too!!!!!!
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The story is ludicrous.

If you hadn't chased him down...
If you hadn't yelled obscenities into his window...
If you hadn't spit on his car...
If you hadn't rode in front of him and hit the brakes...

Then we would sympathize.

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Sorry, but I cannot respond to your poll. There is at least one valid response option missing. That is, "My girlfriend and I are really stupid and both us us should seek professional help, not from a lawyer but from a mental health professional." Dude, you weren't thinking during the incident and you remain incapable of rational thought if you can't look back and see, regardless of the driver's initial behavior, both you and your girlfriend far exceeded the driver in the "Duh!" factor.

Think, next time. Even better, start now. It's still not too late. And about those anger management classes....
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I think you push too far there taylor... The driver of the car WAS very eff-ing stoopid. You do NOT assault someone with a 1 ton motorized piece of metal, No matter how pissed you are.

Granted jev and his gf's reaction was 0/10 on a scale of the best reaction to an angry driver, but you can't say that raming someone with your car is better!
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