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Old 12-20-10, 08:23 PM   #1
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Toe clips run into the front wheel when turning

I ride a vintage road bike (Stella?) with mountain bike platform pedals (Deore XT) and I tried installing MKS toe clips today but there isn't enough clearance for them, so on slight turns I pedal straight into the front wheel (about 1/4" intersecting). What can I do to solve or alleviate this problem?




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Old 12-20-10, 08:34 PM   #2
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Quit worrying about it. Lots of bike setups have this "problem". My SS with eggbeaters had it when I bought it, and I made it "worse" by installing fenders. What I've found after almost 4k miles, is that it's not really a big issue. Scares you for a second, but I've never crashed because of it.

One way to avoid it: ride faster! You don't turn the wheel as far when leaning into corners instead of steering.
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Old 12-20-10, 08:42 PM   #3
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Alright, thanks!
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As mentioned before, this over lap is common especially on short wheelbase bikes with steep angles. Something else to do is to ratchet the pedals when making a slow, sharp turn, such as making a U-turn.
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Don't make tight turns......or don't pedal during them..........or pedal carefully.
Similar foot/wheel interference problems with some recumbents.
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Learning curve...this is not an uncommon problem with short wheel base bikes, or those with a fairly aggressive geometry.

I suppose you could only ride old roadsters with block pedals...never had a problem with those.

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Toe-clip overlap (TCO) only becomes an issue at low speed. At normal cruising speeds you can never turn the wheel that far.
You need to be mindful of TCO at junctions and when manouvering around traffic.
Personally I dont like it , its another thing to worry about in those rare moments when your brains gets overloaded by too much stuff happening around you.
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"you'll get used to it" is obviously the common response but it seems like a decent alternative would be to get smaller clips or switch to clipless... or just ride platforms.
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"you'll get used to it" is obviously the common response but it seems like a decent alternative would be to get smaller clips or switch to clipless... or just ride platforms.
I don't think the problem is the clips specifically. He'll probably run into toe overlap problems on that bike regardless of the pedals he uses.
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I have a bike I rode for two years before I realized it had toe overlap.
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The solution is shorter cranks but thats costs.
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As said, you'll only notice it at slower speeds, and you'll get used to it.
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Shorter toe-clips would change the position of the foot on the pedal ---- so that is not the solution.
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I don't think the problem is the clips specifically. He'll probably run into toe overlap problems on that bike regardless of the pedals he uses.
Probably will. Short wheelbase Race geometry bike and I have the same problem. Slow speed turns in "Carparks" etc and I sometimes feel the shoe jump a bit. Not a problem providing you don't panic



Wheras with a slightly less aggressive geometry and the foot is clear

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I built a frame with a longer top tube so as to have mudguards and no TCO, works fine..
but front wheel feels lighter as a result .. top tube 60, frame size 58 ..

OP is now aware of TCO now,

... ride fast take chances ..
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Shorter toe-clips would change the position of the foot on the pedal ---- so that is not the solution.
Unless the OP doesn't really need those XXL toe clips.

The pedal spindle should be under the ball of your foot. If it's behind that, try shorter clips.
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Thanks for all the advice! If my foot position is correct, I guess I'd encounter the same problem even if I use clipless. Are MKS LL too large for size 9.5?
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I tried to find a picture of Kunta Kin-tay in Roots getting the front of his foot cut off to post as a possible solution. My size 12s and SWB frame cause a massive overlap. Sometimes causes my heart-rate to spike on tight, low-speed turns, but as long as i pay attention, no real problems. I ride with clipless pedals except when I switch to platforms for a ride that I know will be stop and go.
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Shorter toe-clips would change the position of the foot on the pedal ---- so that is not the solution.
MichaelW suggested shorter cranks, not shorter toe clips. Given the amount of overlap, it might require going to 155mm cranks, which would be a big change as well as hard to find. IMHO toe strike on an upright bike is about like heel strike on a recumbent - you're aware that it happens and you avoid letting it.
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Actually, I'm considering shorter clips, since I read that most size 9.5 guys ride M and some L, and I have LL/XL
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If you're riding fixed gear, changing to a freewheel will let you coast through tight turns...
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Shorter cranks, shorter clips, smaller tires.

Toe overlap bothers me just enough that I'll do whatever I can to bring it down to just a few mm. That leaves my 49cm Soma Double Cross with 167.5mm cranks. I can run 38c cross tires or 32c tourers with fenders and barely have an overlap, less than 5mm. 170mm cranks with 38c tires and fenders leaves about a 15mm overlap and that really bothers me, especially in traffic.
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Shorter cranks, shorter clips, smaller tires.

Toe overlap bothers me just enough that I'll do whatever I can to bring it down to just a few mm. That leaves my 49cm Soma Double Cross with 167.5mm cranks. I can run 38c cross tires or 32c tourers with fenders and barely have an overlap, less than 5mm. 170mm cranks with 38c tires and fenders leaves about a 15mm overlap and that really bothers me, especially in traffic.
I am glad I am not that OCD...

I ride XL (64cm) bikes, wear a size 11 shoe and use 175mm cranks when I can find them. However most of my bikes have very relaxed angles and no overlap. I have one road bike that has overlap...probably 10-12mm, just learned to keep my feet out of the way of the wheel.

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It's not so much that the overlap is there for me. It's that when it gets up beyond a few millimeters I can't just tilt or twist my foot a bit to avoid going down when attempting momentary trackstands at traffic lights. I've never actually gone down but 15-20mm feels like a thud when my wheel hits my toe. 2-3mm feels like scarcely more than a brush by.
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some of my bikes have it others don't. like they said don't worry too much about it.

a Stella? us girls and boys over in the C&V threads might like to see some pics of that
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