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    Info about Alfine 11 speed IGH?

    I'm interested but having trouble finding much info on the Alfine 11 speed internal gear hub.

    Is it (or will it be) available in a 36 hole drilling.

    Has anyone come out with a shifter that would be compatible with drop bars? (prefer bar end)

    Anyone ridden one? I was planning a touring bike with a traditional drive train but funds have run dry half way through the build because some things came up. If I have to wait to complete the build i'm wondering if an IGH such as this might be, you know, awesome.

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    I appreciate the link but it doesn't really have any information regarding my questions. It just says "fall 2010" and a price but no info about drillings, alternative shifters, or testimonials of people who've actually used one.

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    There has been a bit of discussion here about them.
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Geared_hub_bikes/
    Gearhubs demystified and other cool stuff.


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    You ask/comment on the hubstripping blog?

    I saw a clever job drilling a 32 hole Rohloff hub with 16 more holes.
    then crows foot lacing in a radial, and 2 cross, groups of 3 ,
    spokes into a 48 spoke rim,
    like Salsa Gordo. beefy 'big dummy' build component , I'd guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
    I saw a clever job drilling a 32 hole Rohloff hub with 16 more holes.
    Wow. That takes guts!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
    You ask/comment on the hubstripping blog?

    I saw a clever job drilling a 32 hole Rohloff hub with 16 more holes.
    then crows foot lacing in a radial, and 2 cross, groups of 3 ,
    spokes into a 48 spoke rim,
    like Salsa Gordo. beefy 'big dummy' build component , I'd guess.
    Picture here. The guy who did this weighs close to 360 lbs though.
    http://img140.exs.cx/img140/328/bohmdriv6fo.jpg
    "At 350+ pounds, I felt that I needed something stronger than *any*
    32-spoke wheel. (Rohloff claim that their hub makes a wheel that is as
    strong as a 48-spoke rear wheel because it is dishless. I don't know
    what measure of wheel strength they use to justify that claim. I
    wanted 48 spokes anyway.)

    So I set about adding some extra holes to the hub shell-- 8 extra on
    the left and 16 extra on the right-- and laced up a 48-spoke wheel in a
    crow's foot pattern:
    That's 32 cross-2 spokes plus 16 radial ones, attached to a 750g Snow
    Cat rim.

    I used a 2.5 axis CNC mill to drill the hole pattern. I made a special
    fixture plate to securely hold the opposite flange without marring it.
    Thus I did not have to disassemble the hub for the machining operation.


    I filled the 8 unused spoke holes with tiny screws, to make it easier
    to keep track of the lacing pattern. The spokes worked out to be
    unusal sizes-- 240mm and 220mm long-- so I had to have them cut to
    order.

    Drilling into a hub that expensive was an uneasy operation, but it all
    went according to plan. I am confident that my hole pattern is held to
    tighter tolerances than the original drilling."

    Chalo Colina

    36 holes is pretty much the standard for gearhubs other than Rohloff. 32 hole drillings are available, but less common.
    Rohloff only has the 32 hole standard because of the 8 bolt cap on the side of the hub.
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    Amazing. I would not have the testicular fortitude to pop a hub that expensive onto a milling machine and start poking additional holes. Props to him for doing it though.

    After reading a bit more about the Alfine 11 speed, now I'm more heavily considering the 8 speed as being adequate for my needs. I have a SRAM S-7 that I got from my LBS for a steal after another customer returned it because you do have to ease off the pedals to shift it. I've put a lot of fun miles on it wedged into the back of what is/was/is-again my fixed gear. The only things I really didn't like about it were the coaster brake (fun sometimes, annoying others) and since I just slapped it onto the bike without changing the chainring (I did replace the BB to get a better chainline) it was always geared a bit high for what I needed.

    It looks like Harris has the 8-speed built into a CR-18 rim (which I'm okay with) for about $350. Maybe i'll head to a local bike shop and try to test ride something with the shimano 8-speed and see if I like it?

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    It comes in either 32 or 36 (and you can find either available for sale on the various sites that are selling it).

    Right now, I think shimano's shifter is the only one available. About 3 months ago, Ryan at JTek Engineering (http://jtekengineering.com/) told me they were planning on releasing a bar-end shifter for the Alfine-11, but at that time, they didn't even have their hands on a hub so they could take the cable-pull measurements. I'm sure they're much farther on their way by now, and I'd love an update on how it's coming, but I haven't pestered him about it since then.

    I'm also planning on incorporating an Alfine-11 into a build that I'm working on. I'm really, really hoping Jtek's shifter will be ready in 2 or 3 months when I'm finishing up the build.

    I haven't had the pleasure of riding one yet, but I've used several other Shimano IGHs and they've completely spoiled me from derailleurs.

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    I sense, since Rohloff target market was Mountain bikes , the summers in Germany can be muddy too,
    has a big influence, from the beginning, on the 32 hole drilling.
    recent upgrade for loaded tandem riders taking on the Andes on long tours ..
    is a hubshell with much Broader flanges, so holes further in from the edge of the flange, are available.

    13-15 -14 DT Alpine spokes , a common upgrade, so holes are a bit larger, too.

    Aaron's in Seattle posted the Pic I saw they use the drill press ,
    didnt show the layout to find the centers for those new holes ,

    dye marker and a careful scratch with dividers, to find the mid point,
    thru the blue marker, between the existing holes, is an old school way.
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    I am reminded of this electric shifter for Rohloff hubs..
    http://www.touchezysolutions.com.au/EdsanProducts.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by HandsomeRyan View Post
    ....It looks like Harris has the 8-speed built into a CR-18 rim (which I'm okay with) for about $350. Maybe i'll head to a local bike shop and try to test ride something with the shimano 8-speed and see if I like it?
    For what it's worth I have an Alfine 8 built into a cr-18 rim and it's an excellent combination. I pretty much followed exactly what Sheldon Brown/Harris cyclery did with the San Jos8 and built one up myself ( i didn't lace the rim - had it done locally) but the rim/hub have performed flawlessly so far. I use it for a commuter but have always thought it would work well for a touring setup as well.

    Since you mentioned the bar-end shifting earlier, as I have gotten more into road cycling and learned to really appreciate sti shifters, the twist shifter that comes with the Alfine 8 can sometimes be a pain. I really wish there was something out there with indexing that can be used with the Alfine.

    Hope this helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by megalowmatt View Post
    Since you mentioned the bar-end shifting earlier, as I have gotten more into road cycling and learned to really appreciate sti shifters, the twist shifter that comes with the Alfine 8 can sometimes be a pain. I really wish there was something out there with indexing that can be used with the Alfine.
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    Like this? http://www.sussex.com.tw/versa.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Wills View Post
    WOW and yes. That thing rocks. I have never seen anything similar to that for internal gear hubs. I had given up hope after only finding the jtek bar end shifter.

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    One of my acquaintances, a bike mechanic with a lot of experience building wheels, has one on his Puggsley. He says it is to the Alfine 8 what the Alfine is to the Sturmey AW. He's fond of his beer but he wasn't drunk when he said it; I took that as a strong enough recommendation for me to write 11-speed fund on the side of a Mason jar and start dumping my change into it when I get home every day.
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    I just upgraded from the Nexus 7 to a red band Nexus 8...I guess it will be time to upgrade to the Alfine 11 when they come out with the Alfine 15

    Cannot find the link at the moment but the reviews seem to be split between loving it and no love. Based on previous Shimano releases of substantially new design hubs I am going to wait at least a couple of years and see how they stand up. Anybody remember the Nexus 4?

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    For what it's worth, I was talking with the folks at Renovo just the other day about component selection for the frame I've ordered with them. The setup they've recommended is an Alfine-11 with those Versa shifters. They said they have a couple of them in stock, they seem to be well made, and they'd go well with the bike. We're also going with the new CenterTrack Gates belt drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by California Crow View Post
    For what it's worth, I was talking with the folks at Renovo just the other day about component selection for the frame I've ordered with them. The setup they've recommended is an Alfine-11 with those Versa shifters. They said they have a couple of them in stock, they seem to be well made, and they'd go well with the bike. We're also going with the new CenterTrack Gates belt drive.
    Funny - the website for the manufacturer of the Versa shifters does not mention an 11 speed version. Are you sure this is what the shop was reccomending and had in stock? I'd put my money on JTek coming out with an excellent Bar End 11 speed shifter before Versa makes an STI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LarDasse74 View Post
    Funny - the website for the manufacturer of the Versa shifters does not mention an 11 speed version. Are you sure this is what the shop was reccomending and had in stock? I'd put my money on JTek coming out with an excellent Bar End 11 speed shifter before Versa makes an STI.
    Here's a quote from an email their 'build guy' sent me last Monday.
    For drop bar shifters, we'll be using the new Versa 11-speed shifters designed especially for the new Shimano hub. They're similar to the integrated brake/shift levers found on modern derailleur bikes. Unfortunately, Rohloff has never seen fit to make any kind of drop bar shifter, and I've yet to see any kind of work-around that didn't look awkward. We've just gotten a couple of the Versa shifters in stock and they seem to be well made units, and won't look out of place on our bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Wills View Post
    Jeff - are you using these? I am seriously considering getting them but can't find much information about installation or experience with them. At ~$200 I want to make sure they will be worth the cost.

    Any information is appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by megalowmatt View Post
    Jeff - are you using these? I am seriously considering getting them but can't find much information about installation or experience with them. At ~$200 I want to make sure they will be worth the cost.

    Any information is appreciated.
    Megalow,
    I use the VRS-8s, they don't feel as robust as shimano 105 brifters, more plastic and less metal. And you have to push the longer shift lever further than on regular brifters, which is slightly annoying (but gives your middle finger a good workout !).
    But overall I like them and still prefer the Alfine8 with these shifters to a derailleur setup on my drop bar bike. I had my LBS install them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bokes View Post
    Megalow,
    I use the VRS-8s, they don't feel as robust as shimano 105 brifters, more plastic and less metal. And you have to push the longer shift lever further than on regular brifters, which is slightly annoying (but gives your middle finger a good workout !).
    But overall I like them and still prefer the Alfine8 with these shifters to a derailleur setup on my drop bar bike. I had my LBS install them.
    Thank you bokes. In my research I noticed the long throw of that lever and you have confirmed that. I think I can live with that, especially after using the twist shifter for over a year now. I pm'd Jeff Willis and he sent me a link to somebody who was using these as well.

    I ordered a set yesterday.

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