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Old 03-13-11, 01:29 PM   #1
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Tyre and rim combinations that don't require tools

Hi all,

Was wondering if anyone could tell me the combination of tyres & rims that they have used that don't require tools to mount.

For me it is only the 700x35 Specialized Nimbus tyres with Mavic A317 disc rims and Mavic A119 rims.

Any more?

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I have yet to find any that do require tools to mount. But both the easiest and the hardest combination of any of my wheels are both on my Bike Friday with 451 wheels. The rear wheel uses a Sun CR-18 rim and in combination with a Primo Comet 451-37 tire is a very loose fit. The tire usually comes off the rim without even trying just by my pulling the wheel from the bike after a flat. Only issue in mounting the tire is making sure the tire bead is evenly seated before finishing inflation of the tube - it's no effort at all to get the tire onto the rim. I wouldn't want to use this combination on the front wheel since in the event of a sudden flat the tire might roll off the rim and jam in the fork, but I haven't had any issues with it on the back wheel.

The front wheel on that bike also has a Sun rim (I think M14A - it's a little more aero appearance) and is paired with an IRC RoadLite 451-28 tire. It's a very tight fit and requires considerable effort to remove with tire levers and corresponding effort to reinstall with fingers, thumbs, and palm pressure. Fortunately I don't get nearly as many flats on the front wheel so it's not a common procedure.
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For the most part I think that it's more a question of technique rather than specific equipment. I haven't used a tool for an on the road tire repair in probably 10 years.

There are exceptions, however. For example, removing a tire from a Sun Ryno Lite rim comes to mind as possibly requiring the use of words prohibited on US warships - even with tire tools.
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Another vote for technique

Guess I kinda make it a point of installing tires without tool. Including studded and tubeless.

Basically if you have no problem getting the first bead on without tools - the other side is exactly the same size. Coaxing a tire on rather than forcing it eliminates any chances of bead damage or pinching the tube.

The only thing I have a real problem with is initially seating a tubless tire. Just can`t do it without a compressor.
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wide 26" tires in general.. no problems with my wide Snow Cat Rims and 1.9 wide tires.
or Mavic EX721 with the Schwalbe marathon 549-47, either.

Super Champion 58 rims have a deeper well , 622 x25
so the tire on opposite side has a drop center, to let the bead fall into .
easing the hand installation of the tire .
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I have yet to find any that do require tools to mount. ...
Same here. Some seem to need one lever to remove however - at least to keep my sanity.
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Daven, Often I don't need a tire tool except for removal or upon initial installation. There have been exceptions WRT tire/rim combination. I certainly won't go on a ride without a pair of tire tools.

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You people aren't understanding the question. If there are exceptions then the question is how to fix them.

My suggestion is to use folding tires and if you're still having difficulty, try a different tire width. Even with the WRONG rim, the correct width folding tire should be easily removable without tools.
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You people aren't understanding the question. If there are exceptions then the question is how to fix them.

My suggestion is to use folding tires and if you're still having difficulty, try a different tire width. Even with the WRONG rim, the correct width folding tire should be easily removable without tools.
Speak for yourself, considering that the question is about mounting not removing them.
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Well I can't possibly mount my marathon winter 35C tyres on the same rims I stated in the OP without tools - and metal ones at that, the plastic ones just bend! In comparison the Nimbus tyres just go onto the rim with no effort at all. Glad to know there are other combinations out there though might make that something I test out before buying new tyres!
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For the most part I think that it's more a question of technique rather than specific equipment. I haven't used a tool for an on the road tire repair in probably 10 years...
Technique does count for a lot. I can usually get most tires on most rims without tools in a pinch, though I had a set of Vittorias I couldn't mount even with levers. I finally (after more than an hour, and six broken plastic levers) got them on with a set of cheap steel grocery-store tire levers--then had a flat and had call for help, because I couldn't get the tire off. I threw the tires away.
FWIW, the fat Rynos (I forget the model) on my Atlantis will accept any 35mm tires I've tried without tools--but I've had blowoffs with some tires, so it's a tradeoff.

I'm curious WHY you don't want to use levers, though. They weigh almost nothing, and they make the job easier even if you can do it without them.
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I can tell you that the Conti Gatorskin bent a steel tire lever trying to get it on. Kind of the opposite of what you are asking for.
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I'm curious WHY you don't want to use levers, though. They weigh almost nothing, and they make the job easier even if you can do it without them.
I usually carry at least one with me and, in a pinch if I didn't have one, I've used a quick release lever. My quibble is about making the job easier. Most of the time I can pop a tire off at least as fast without bothering with a lever. Once you master the technique, it's not that hard.
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Speak for yourself, considering that the question is about mounting not removing them.
Touche my friend...I also think they're easier to mount.
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