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Old 04-17-11, 04:53 PM   #1
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Fenders on a lugless road bike that has no space under the brakes - Suggestions?

I have a 2007 Specialized Roubaix. It's a great bike for an old fart (me) but I was surprised to find there's insufficient clearance for fenders.

I tried Crud Road Racer II fenders.
  • I was very impressed by the design and they really do take a minimal amount of space to fit.
  • I managed to squeeze them in under the front brakes but it's a tight fit (any sand on the tire will scrape against the underside of the fenders).
  • In the rear I had to jury-rig mounting in front of the bridge between the seat stays and behind the rear brake.
  • And when I'm done, they are quite fragile. I accidentally shattered the rear and the bottom of the front one broke off on my first ride (I think a twig must have gotten jammed between tire and fender, although I didn't see a twig and couldn't find one when I searched)
I don't expect a solution, but I thought I'd ask.
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Old 04-17-11, 05:56 PM   #2
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I used the Cruds all winter and didn't have the mounting or damage issues you did, but after a while the sand scraping becomes tiresome.

Does the Roubaix have mounting eyelets on the fork and rear dropouts for fenders? If so, Reacharound Fender Brackets and standard fenders (Like the SKS P-35) may be helpful. You'll need to saw the fender in in two, and drill four holes, then mount the brackets which go over the top of the rear brake caliper. I'm sure you could rig something in front to go around the fork and brake.

SKS Raceblades are popular, but find the mounting to be fiddly.

On the bike where I run the Cruds in winter, in the three-seasons I run a quick-release rear fender, the Bontrager Satellite fender. Unfortunately, if you're having sand scraping problems with the Crud in front, the bracket for the front Satellite won't clear the tire either. I've been threatening to try Sheldon's Fender Nuts, but just haven't gotten around to it. In any event, the Satellites aren't as nice as full fenders, but they work just fine for occasional use in light rain.

Now, if you've gone 5,000 miles in your first seven months of cycling, and New England weather isn't keeping you off the bike, first, hooray for you!

Second, maybe it's time to consider a wet-weather bike. There are a few off-the-rack road bikes made with clearance for 28mm tires and full fenders, but given how you've taken to riding, you may just want to treat yourself to something bespoke.

There are literally dozens of custom bike builders in the New England area. I know several who could turn out a bespoke wet-weather bike for not much more than off-the-rack, providing you don't go hog wild with full-bling components, or custom paint.

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Old 04-17-11, 06:25 PM   #3
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There are literally dozens of custom bike builders in the New England area. I know several who could turn out a bespoke wet-weather bike for not much more than off-the-rack, providing you don't go hog wild with full-bling components, or custom paint.
A custom builder's winter bike: http://www.englishcycles.com/bikepics/rob/winter.htm
At last report it had been ridden through an Oregon winter with no maintenance whatsoever.
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Old 04-17-11, 08:45 PM   #4
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I got some PB Cascadias on my Jamis Sputnik. They've worked great for about a year now.

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Old 04-17-11, 10:09 PM   #5
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River City Bicycles, a great dealer in Portland Oregon has these custom made fender Reach Around brackets for bicycles without room for conventional fenders, might be what you are looking for.

http://rivercitybicycles.com/product...ackets-737.htm
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Split at the low point.. my winter bike got the mudguard cut,
behind the fork crown,
then the cut off piece is resumed in front of the fork crown.
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Does the Roubaix have mounting eyelets on the fork and rear dropouts for fenders? If so, Reacharound Fender Brackets and standard fenders (Like the SKS P-35) may be helpful. You'll need to saw the fender in in two, and drill four holes, then mount the brackets which go over the top of the rear brake caliper. I'm sure you could rig something in front to go around the fork and brake.
Can you post a picture to any of your bikes you've done this to? I get the basic concept, but I can't visualize it, but it seems like the perfect solution to the tight clearance on my backup bike and my winter bike (I have a less than ideal over the brake solution on my winter bike).
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Like previous posts, I have two sets of Crud IIs. They are lightweight, very fragile, tricky to setup, and squawk when riding in wet sand, but do work very well. I'm not sure they're worth the hassle though, and might try some SKS race blades or similar next winter.
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Old 04-18-11, 08:03 AM   #9
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As mentioned, there is no reason the fenders need to go under the fork crown. Stop the rear piece behind the fork, bolt it to the brake bolt in back. Do the same in the front. If you have black plastic fenders, black tape is almost a perfect match. Use black plastic tape under the fork to bridge the gap. The tape may get loose in one season, so just replace it once a year.
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Very interesting, but I am somewhat confused.
  • First, the last two pictures are very small, but I think they show you made your own "lugs" - more detail would be appreciated (are they clamps designed to secure conduit to a wall?)
  • It looks like your fenders extend under the brakes - if they do, that doesn't help me, if they don't I'd love to know how you did it.
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Split at the low point.. my winter bike got the mudguard cut,
behind the fork crown,
then the cut off piece is resumed in front of the fork crown.
This worked for me on an old (really old, when they were lugged steel) Allez with 35mm tires. The tires cleared the brakes by just a millimeter or two. I cut the fenders at the appropriate place, drilled some holes in them and used a fairly messy zip-tie arrangement to secure them to the fork. Worked through one winter before i sold the bike. If I'd cared enough to mess with it, I'm sure I could have figured out a neater attachment, but this worked OK and cost almost nothing.
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Very interesting, but I am somewhat confused.
[LIST][*]First, the last two pictures are very small, but I think they show you made your own "lugs" - more detail would be appreciated (are they clamps designed to secure conduit to a wall?)...s
They're called "P clamps", lined with rubber. Available in almost any hardware store, most bike stores and online - just search on that term.
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Very interesting, but I am somewhat confused.
  • First, the last two pictures are very small, but I think they show you made your own "lugs" - more detail would be appreciated (are they clamps designed to secure conduit to a wall?)
  • It looks like your fenders extend under the brakes - if they do, that doesn't help me, if they don't I'd love to know how you did it.

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As somebody else already mentioned, they are "P" clamps. I got them at Home Depot in the plumbing or electrical dept.

I did run the fenders under the brakes. I wouldn't recommend this for anything but clean-street riding. There's very little clearance. However, following another suggestion, you could cut them and fashion a bracket to span the brake area. There are pictures and guidance on the net somewhere. Check Here, and here.
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Metal fenders are thinner, you might be able to find new ones for sale, or they might be from a junked bike from the 70s. You might be able to lower the wheels a tad by putting a shim in between the axle and the fork.
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