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Old 10-31-04, 01:51 PM   #1
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LIVESTRONG controversy

I am a highschool wrestler, and had a tournament yesterday. I have been wearing a bracelet since the beginning of the summer and have not taken it off. I have refused to take it off. Well I had tape around my wrist like most wrestlers, and my bracelet was underneath it. For my first match the ref did not care. But for my second match, a different ref made me remove it. Even though it was taped up properly. This thing was not a danger and not going anywhere. I was so furious that I pinned the kid in 38 seconds. Gotta love a good double leg to cradle.


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Old 10-31-04, 02:35 PM   #2
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I think it's great that the LIVESTRONG wristband is that important to you!
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Old 10-31-04, 02:50 PM   #3
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Unless the ref had a good excuse for having you take the band off(which he didn't) I think it's a bunch of bulls***.

I mean, whats going to happen? And why do you have to take it off? My friend wears one when he runs XC and one of the coaches at a track meet kept telling him to take the band off. He refused and now he has quit the track team. For him I don't think it was the fact that he feels strongly about the livestrong band but more of a control thing, he doesn't like people telling him what to do, too bad though, he was one of the best runners we had.
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The ref said that it wasn't soft enough and needed to be padded... I do not know about you guys, but I would rather be hit with the bracelet over a elbow or a forearm.
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Not soft enough???? It's a freaking piece of plastic, if you can't stand being hit with a livestrong bracelet you shouldn't be wrestling.
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The question you need to think through is: What are you trying to accomplish?

If you are trying to win a wrestling match, I don't think that I'd want to make a big issue about a Livestrong bracelet in a sport where the refs judgement essentially determines the score. Incidentally, my opinion wouldn't change if it were a cross country race or soccer or whatever. If your objective is to win, I'd follow whatever rules the local officials say they are going to enforce.

If your goal is to establish your right to wear a Livestrong bracelet, have at it. It sounds like a heavy handed interpretation of the rules to me too. If you choose this route, however, don't be surprised if you get fewer opportunities to win wrestling matches. Ultimately, we ALWAYS have choices, but we also have to deal with the consequences of those decisions.

Welcome to the adult world.
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Most sports have rules against bracelets and earings and such which should be applied uniformly against the board rather than having exceptions to the rule. Keep it simple. I look at it as when you step on the field you are in the refrees house, so as to say that, it is his rules. Some refs allow you to play rough and some call you on the stupidest ****. Same goes for the bracelet, depends on the ref but you gotta follow their rules. It is great that you care enough to stand up though.
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Grouch beat me to it. Maybe I need to start typing faster than 13mins for a couple of sentences
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Suck it up and live with the rules of your association/federation. Organized sports have rules, if you choose not to follow them either change sports or live with the consequences.

Yes, it's a silly rule but if they allow you to wear the wristband then the door is open to other wristbands. Then the refs are in a position where they have to continually check the composition of the wristband to ensure no one sneaks in a metal one under the tape (and someone will...).

It's not like taking your Livestrong band off for a few minutes will cause someone to die of cancer. Keep it in a bag next to the ring and after each victory you can parade around the ring kissing it if that makes you feel better.
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Old 10-31-04, 07:47 PM   #10
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Same way in Va. A bunch of high school track athletes got their results reversed for wearing Livestrong bands. (After the event.) There was an uproar and the ruling body has formalized the rule... Livestrong bands (and their like) are jewelry, take 'em off or be disqualified.
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I was so furious that I pinned the kid in 38 seconds. Gotta love a good double leg to cradle.


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Old 10-31-04, 08:14 PM   #12
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The ref said that it wasn't soft enough and needed to be padded... I do not know about you guys, but I would rather be hit with the bracelet over a elbow or a forearm.
It's a friggen rubber band. That ref has got to be the stupidest ***************** in the ******** world. Asterisks are fun
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wow, I can only imagine the possibilities of what those astericks represent lol
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do you need to profess to the world your support for the LAF?

why should you get special treatment?

it sounds more like an issue with authority than anything else. get over yourself, follow the rules.
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Sporting officials have the right to set rules about what participants wear. Sometimes they make sense. Sometimes they don't. I'm glad the incident inspired you to perform well. But you should say, "yes sir" to the ref, who's probably a volunteer (or close to it), and then bring the issue to the attention of higher-ups after the match. Then be prepared to live with the decision. If they decide against you, suck it up and let it inspire you to another quick win.

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I'm a little conserned over the Livestrong bands, simply because I feel a lot of people are wearing them due to 'trendyness' rather than their real reason. I doubt that applies to many (if any) of you here, but a lot of people at the school I go to wear them for coolness. Not good.
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I'm a little conserned over the Livestrong bands, simply because I feel a lot of people are wearing them due to 'trendyness' rather than their real reason. I doubt that applies to many (if any) of you here, but a lot of people at the school I go to wear them for coolness. Not good.
That may be true but LAF has already sold 21 MILLION of em and are producing at least 5 million more.
Sure I'd wish that everyone wore one because of their support for LAF and cancer research, however
$21,000,000 makes it easier to accept the "trendiness" thing.

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When you sign up for sports you also sign that you agree to obey the rules. Most ban jewelery or anything that is not part of the uniform. So you have 2 choices one obey the rules or disobey the rules and accept the circumstnaces.

Personally traking off the bracelet for a sporting event doesn't seem like it should be a big deal.
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I think that it is dumb to fight over wearing the jewelery. The rules state no jewelery. The only reason you can tape over an earring is the chance that it will close again. Not taking off the bracelet is a stupid fight. You will only have it off for a couple of hours at the most. It isn't worth the fight. Same thing goes with the XC runners. It doesn't make you run faster, and if you are told to take it off, take it off. Wait until college when you can wear that kind of stuff while you compete. It isn't worth the fight or the press that is being written.
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It's nice to see so many dedicated to the cause, but in the end, it is only a wristband. Take it off, and put it back on. Nothing's changed, just your appearance.

I wear a POW/MIA bracelet almost every day, and it means very much to me. When I take it off, I still honor his memory.
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I've worn my LIVESTRONG bracelet now without taking it off since I bought it this past July. Mind you, I don't have any situations where I need to take it off, but if I did have to take it off due to regulations regarding safety etc, I'll take it off.

I'm sure a lot of people are wearing the bracelet because it's the cool thing to do. But as lotek mentioned, that's $21,000,000 towards cancer research. As long as the money is going to the intended group, does their motives for wearing it matter all that much? As long as you know why you are wearing it...
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Suck it up and live with the rules of your association/federation. Organized sports have rules, if you choose not to follow them either change sports or live with the consequences.It's not like taking your Livestrong band off for a few minutes will cause someone to die of cancer. Keep it in a bag next to the ring and after each victory you can parade around the ring kissing it if that makes you feel better.
Wow. Are you a Republican? Sheesh.

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Shmanz, I think it's great that you want to wear your bracelet all the time. I just got one as a gift from my mother in law and think they're fantastic. It makes a good statement and everyone knows what it is and means. Congrats on pinning the guy in 38 seconds. I hope you go to the finals.
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by the way...especially in a sport like wrestling, ANY kind of a bracelet could be a danger. If somehow the tape came undone and a finger got caught in there, you could break a finger in a snap.

also, as others have said, get over it! take the dang bracelet off for 3 minutes. Choose your battles, dude.
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