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    Hand position and safety

    How do you hold the handlebar? I suppose most grasp it between thumb and index finger?

    Because my handlebar has very limited space due to the mirrors I put on the end (not the very end but they take space on the handle), I can't hold the handlebar between the thumb and index finger, as that way my hand would invade the derailleur control. So I simply rest the lower palm of my hand on the handlebar, all 5 fingers together (a little like when you support your self with hands on a table, fingers not touching the table). In other words I'm not holding the handlebar in my hand but simply rest my hand on it. I feel this way it is also easier for me to brake. The hand is already in a flexible position ready to go anywhere.

    Is this an acceptable (safety-wise) way? I know if you get hit unexpectedly, your hands will leave the handle more easily than if holding it. But it's also not good if you accidentally changed the gear.

    I wonder how many people does this way?

    P.S. This is a hybrid bike, not road bike.
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    I fitted Trekking bars on the 2 bikes I use most, the figure 8 like bend offers multiple hand holds

    .. if you get hit unexpectedly..
    you wont be able to plan on that , obviously

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    Find a different style mirror.

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    When doing long distance you'll end up putting your hands in as many ways as your bar will allow it

    Some people aren't safe with both hands firmly attached to the bars, while others don't need to touch the bar at all. Heck, you are the one doing it, you tell me if you think is safe.

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    I ride with drop bars on my road bicycles and bullhorn bars on the tandem.

    When I ride with drop bars, I usually ride with my hands on the top of the bars, on the curve, and on the hoods. Occasionally I'll ride in the drops.

    When I ride with the bullhorn bars, I usually ride with my hands on the top of the bars, on the curve, and up on the ends.

    Sometimes I ride with one hand and so I can rest and stretch the other, and I hold the bars in all different ways.

    As abdon says, when you ride long distances, you'll end up putting your hands in as many ways as your bar will allow it.


    Can you post a picture of your handlebar setup?

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    If I had to hold my hands a certain way to keep my fingers from rubbing the shifters I'd be rethinking my whole cockpit set up.

    That's actually a fairly common issue. There's so many things that are handy to have on your handlebars - GPS, cell phones, bike computers, headlights, horns and bells, bags and baskets, mirrors, bunches of stuff. Part of the fun of making a bike your own is figuring what you want to have with you at your fingertips and how to do it. There's lots of options. There's lots of different shaped handlebars and most of them aren't too expensive. There's lots of different mirrors and there are advocates for every mirror design. There's even gizmos that clamp onto your handlebar just to give you additional space for hanging more gizmos. Have a ball!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retro Grouch View Post
    If I had to hold my hands a certain way to keep my fingers from rubbing the shifters I'd be rethinking my whole cockpit set up.
    +1.

    Is there something preventing you from moving your shifters and brake levers in towards the stem a bit and getting longer grips so that you've more useful room on the bar?

    I'm having trouble picturing a mirror that doesn't mount into the end of a flat bar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets View Post
    I'm having trouble picturing a mirror that doesn't mount into the end of a flat bar.
    There are some that have a mount that clamps around the handlebar. Seems to me I used to have one like that many years ago. But there are some really nice bar end ones now, and I don't think I'd use a clamp one again.

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    I remember some old chrome ones on fairly long arms, still see them a lot on lowrider bicycles. I wonder where the OP has it clamped exactly that it's infringing on grip area.

    This bit really throws me for a loop:

    mirrors I put on the end (not the very end but they take space on the handle)
    This seems to mean that they're clamped around the end and not stuck in the end, but why not just slide shifters and brake levers in to free up some room for more grip area. That's what I do when I use barends. I also run 23" flat bars w/o barends but run 'em at 24" with barends, just so I have plenty of space.

    Maybe the bar is 31.8 and he's already against the bulge or maybe they're risers and he's already against the curve? If either one of those I'd say get some wider bars. Possibly get a new 25.4 stem and bar if running 31.8, whichever.

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    Just managed to get a pic of the left handle (attached). The stem of the mirror is too short so this is the only way I can see behind me and not myself in the mirror. You can see the hand grip is much shortened. I don't think the shifter and brake lever can be moved in (separating the shifter and hand?), besides I have lights, reflector, basket on the handlebar.
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    Yes, that's how I figured it might be set up.

    OK, so ... why not look for a bar end mirror?

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    Bar end mirrors widen the space the bike occupies. It's easier to hit cars (often the mirrors of cars) when you pass between two cars, or wall/people if you are riding through a narrow passage, etc., etc. It is a bad design, in my view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vol View Post
    Bar end mirrors widen the space the bike occupies. It's easier to hit cars (often the mirrors of cars) when you pass between two cars, or wall/people if you are riding through a narrow passage, etc., etc. It is a bad design, in my view.
    You've got to watch where you're riding and use common sense, of course, but you've got to do that anyway no matter what you ride.

    I'd rather have an ever-so-slightly wider bicycle than limit my hand positions or potentially restrict my access to my brakes.

    Go to a bicycle shop and have a look at the current, modern bar end mirrors. I think you'll be surprised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vol View Post
    Just managed to get a pic of the left handle (attached). The stem of the mirror is too short so this is the only way I can see behind me and not myself in the mirror. You can see the hand grip is much shortened. I don't think the shifter and brake lever can be moved in (separating the shifter and hand?), besides I have lights, reflector, basket on the handlebar.
    Yeah, the grip should be separable from the twist shifter.

    In your pic it looks like there's room to move controls in at least a 1/2". Just need a couple of allen wrenches. One allen wrench to loosen brake lever clamp and slide it inward. Then usually a much smaller allen wrench to loosen the shifter and move it inward. Then remove your mirror. Remove the grip and replace with a longer one. That shifter seems oriented oddly. Most Sram Gripshifts are set up so that the Cable runs underneath the handlebar and thus underneath the brake lever also. What make and model of shifter is that?

    Here's my setup. Just pretend my barend is your mirror. I'm runnin Oury grips with just the ends cut off.

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    Just because I'm a firm believer in more pics in threads, here's another Gripshift setup of mine. This one has original Gripshift hand grips. They measure almost 3.5" in width compared to my cut Oury grips which measure almost 4" in width.

    You can still see the marks on the bar from where the controls used to sit when I had barends on this bike. When I removed the barends I just moved everything towards the end of the bar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets View Post
    That shifter seems oriented oddly. Most Sram Gripshifts are set up so that the Cable runs underneath the handlebar and thus underneath the brake lever also. What make and model of shifter is that?
    It is Shimano SL-RS32 Revo 7-speeds. Thanks for the pictures of your settings--it shows me how flexible these things actually are. Indeed there is actually about 1/2"~1" room for me to move in the shifter and brake lever. May ask the LBS do it for me as I don't have the tools.

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    No problem. Glancing at your pic again it occurs to me that the mirror might just be clamped around the grip. If that's the case you won't need a new grip like I mentioned earlier. They should be able to just slide everything inwards a bit and cut out the end of the grip if it has a closed end then clamp the mirror directly to the handlebar.

    Make sure to have them put a bar plug in the end of the bar if there isn't already one.
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    Thanks a lot for the tips. Just hope the LBS will have the patience to do it for me .

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    vol, My opinion is that the mirror(s) has to be moved as it seriously cramps the space for your hands. If you can, move the controls toward the center, if it makes your hand hold too narrow it's time to move on to a mirror with a different attachment style, or a wider handlebar.

    I set the family mountain bikes where the top of the brake levers just touch the bottom of the fingers, when the hand is resting on the bar, fingers straight out the rider is seated. This is similar to setting the controls on a motorcycle and allows the index finger to rest on the lever while the rest are wrapped around the bar, but not necessarily gripping the bar... make any sense?

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